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hcroveda
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British Proof Marks (Westley Richards)
      #68739 - 04/01/07 07:41 AM

Help me with the identification of the British proof marks of my new WESTLEY RICHARDS (Confirm or rebated my poor knowledge, please):

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m239/hcroveda/DSC00819.jpg;

Photo 1: three marks
(left to right)
provisional proof of barrels of the Birmingham Company
Serie’s number of the rifle
Private proof mark of Ketland, Birmingham

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m239/hcroveda/DSC00820.jpg;

Photo 2:
Between two Private proof mark of Ketland, Birmingham, it’s have the number 38 ???

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m239/hcroveda/DSC00821.jpg;

Photo 3:
Identification of the cartridge: Express for Nª2 Case or 577-500 Nº2 or .500 Nº2

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m239/hcroveda/DSC00822.jpg;

Photo 4:
In what year beginning to use this marks?

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m239/hcroveda/DSC00823.jpg;

Photo 5:
Trade mark and address

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m239/hcroveda/DSC00824.jpg;

Photo 6:
WM ???
J ???
A ???
/// These marks are repeated in the wood and the action. It’s the gunsmith mark?
83 ??? Could be this the data of production of the rifle or action -1883-?

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m239/hcroveda/DSC00827.jpg;

Photo 7:
2 ¾ cartridge lengh?
Power 40 ??? This is difficult to read, do you thing that said power or other word? 40 it’s the weigh of power for what caliber? Not for 577-500 Nª2

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m239/hcroveda/DSC00829.jpg

Photo 8:
P
W in only one mark (not separated), it’s repeated in two parts of the gun??
2

Below it’s N ???

Thanks in advance and Good Year for everything
(Sorry for my bud English)
Hector

Edited by hcroveda (04/01/07 07:44 AM)

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DoubleD
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Re: British Proof Marks (Westley Richards) [Re: hcroveda]
      #68767 - 04/01/07 06:06 PM

Hector I have fixed the links to your pictures for you. Here is what they should look like.

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What you had were links to the webpage.

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Photo 1: three marks
(left to right)
provisional proof of barrels of the Birmingham Company
Serie’s number of the rifle
Private proof mark of Ketland, Birmingham



Photo 2:
Between two Private proof mark of Ketland, Birmingham, it’s have the number 38 ???



Photo 3:
Identification of the cartridge: Express for Nª2 Case or 577-500 Nº2 or .500 Nº2



Photo 4:
In what year beginning to use this marks?



Photo 5:
Trade mark and address



Photo 6:
WM ???
J ???
A ???
/// These marks are repeated in the wood and the action. It’s the gunsmith mark?
83 ??? Could be this the data of production of the rifle or action -1883-?



Photo 7:
2 ¾ cartridge lengh?
Power 40 ??? This is difficult to read, do you thing that said power or other word? 40 it’s the weigh of power for what caliber? Not for 577-500 Nª2



Photo 8:
P
W in only one mark (not separated), it’s repeated in two parts of the gun??
2

Below it’s N ???


Hector your English is not bad. You are able to communicate your message. We all understood. Now my Spanish…mi espanol is muy mal. Is sufficiente por comunicacion y nada mas.

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DD, Ret.

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DoubleD
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Re: British Proof Marks (Westley Richards) [Re: DoubleD]
      #77654 - 30/04/07 03:23 AM

That looks like a Westley Richards 1871 patent. It is sometimes referred to as the Westley Richards Improved Martini. It is not really an improved Martini, the original model being patented 40 days before Martini.

Hector this photo with the number 38 says the caliber of the bore is 38 lead ball to the pound or about .525 to .526. This seems to point to the the 577/500 2 3/4 No.2 Express.

You need to get a copy of Wal Winfers book British Single shot rifles Volume 4 Westley Richards. Your rifle is serial number 503. It is not on Wal Winfers known single barrel list. You have a rifle that previously wasn't known. Serial number 502 is listed as possible 1873 Pattern. There are several No. 2 EX listed for the Improved Martini and there is one 1871 IM listed as a 577/500 No. 2 Henry rifling

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