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mehulkamdar
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Do you load a magazine to full capacity?
      #68656 - 03/01/07 02:42 PM

An old habit that I acquired in India was not to load a magazine to full capacity as I was told that the rounds could jam in the magazine if this was done. And those who taught me this were old timers who had some of the "Best" guns from the days of the Raj when imports were allowed.

These days when I read of the practice of loading a magazine in full and also of having one round in the chamber, I wonder if the old timers in India were being unneccessarily cautious or if the terribly hot and humid weather did this to the rifles that they hunted with? Or, were they just plainly wrong in assuming this?

Thank you for your replies in advance and good hunting!

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Re: Do you load a magazine to full capacity? [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #68660 - 03/01/07 02:54 PM

I think it depends on how reliably that rifle functions when full. Some are recalcitrant and should not be full.

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Re: Do you load a magazine to full capacity? [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #68706 - 04/01/07 01:27 AM

I always load the magazine of any rifle to its full capacity. If it won't feed reliably with a full compliment of cartridges, it needs to be reworked by a good gunsmith.

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Re: Do you load a magazine to full capacity? [Re: allenday]
      #68718 - 04/01/07 04:06 AM

I load 2 rounds of .458 in the magazine. One of those goes into the chamber if I feel it is needed. I've never had cause to use more than 1 round. I do have another 4 rounds on the ctg. carrier on the butt. If I'm packing a .375 or smaller, I carry a belt ctg. box with 8 to 12 rounds & load 3 in the gun. I don't hunt anything more dangerous than moose and black bear, but in grizzly country. That's here the 'need' come from for a chambered round, periodically.
; I did feel a bit undergunned once, carrying the Ruger #1 and hunting with my daughter with her little .260 Rem. We walked into a grizzly's living room, complete with smashed vegitation, fresh moose skeleton and 7 piles of crap. My .218Bee felt a bit undersized, but the bear was out shopping. We vacated the premises.

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Re: Do you load a magazine to full capacity? [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #68725 - 04/01/07 05:08 AM

Always full magazine

If the damn thing won't feed it will be sent off to the smith- I hate rifles that doesn't feed and function properly……

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Re: Do you load a magazine to full capacity? [Re: Yochanan]
      #68730 - 04/01/07 05:57 AM

A full magazine and one in the chamber!.... it seems to me that well placed shots often times find even better placed branches or twigs along the intended path.

If the gun doesnt cycle properly with a full mag then it doesnt make the journey and wont until I sort out what the malfunction is and fix it.

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Re: Do you load a magazine to full capacity? [Re: Double_Trouble]
      #68792 - 05/01/07 03:53 AM

Thanks for the replies everyone. I do shoot occasionally at two clubs in Wisconsin that allow magazines to be fully loaded and shall try to do that with my MAuser just for fun. The possibility of my hunting with my rifle is remote as Illinois, Indiana and most of Wisconsin are shotgun or muzzleloader only but it would be fun to see what happens with a few repeat strings of shots fired from a full magazine.

Good hunting, everyone!

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Re: Do you load a magazine to full capacity? [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #68794 - 05/01/07 03:59 AM

Mehul,

I always load a full magazine, and have one in the chamber. If this doesn't work, then it needs to be fixed by someone who knows how to.

I have one question though, you mention: "I do shoot occasionally at two clubs in Wisconsin that allow magazines to be fully loaded and shall try to do that with my MAuser just for fun."

Does this mean that it is common for people not being allowed to load a full magazine on US rifle ranges? And if so, what is the reasoning behind this???

Erik

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mehulkamdar
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Re: Do you load a magazine to full capacity? [Re: EricD]
      #68808 - 05/01/07 05:48 AM

Erik,

Most clubs here allow only single loading. Some clubs allow loading magazines on handguns but long arms are supposed to be single loaded only unless you get permission from the range master. The clubs in Wisconsin allow loading a magazine as a matter of routine and no permission of any kind is required there. India is very similar in the rules at ranges there but then Indians shoot mostly rimfire rifles in ISSF style matches at ranges and they are accustomed to this.

It is a bit of a pain single loading my Mauser and that is why I avoid shooting it in Illinois unless I visit my good friend and business partner Mark at his beautiful place in Michael Il.

Cheers!

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Re: Do you load a magazine to full capacity? [Re: EricD]
      #68857 - 05/01/07 05:25 PM

Erik

Most of the gun clubs stateside have arbitrary rules that is forced on anybody who wants to use the range. One particular club/public range has people actually handle your weapon to insure that you actually have it unloaded during the cease fire period. In fact, NO RAPID FIRE is something that is pretty common also. A lot of the clubs are trying to appease the ANTI's by somehow making up a bunch silly shit so's they can say that only sportsmen with SPORTING RIFLES use the facilities. In fact, I very seldom use public ranges anymore.



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Re: Do you load a magazine to full capacity? [Re: 475Guy]
      #68858 - 05/01/07 05:53 PM

I read these things and thank my lucky stars that I live where we need no ranges and keep magazines full in our "truck rifles"...all legal, as long as no shell in the chamber. I find nothing wrong with a full magazine and one chambered; safeties are there for a reason.

Having seen some of the knuckleheads that show up at ranges, I do believe in a bit of control and order is necessary at those venues.

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Re: Do you load a magazine to full capacity? [Re: mehulkamdar]
      #68860 - 05/01/07 06:55 PM

Mehul,

When you say the Mauser is a pain does that mean the range rules will not allow you to place one cartridge in the magazine and then close the bolt.

Our ranges run by the Australian counterpart of the NRA won't allow "repeat fire" except under range officer superision but you can load the cartridge into the magazine and feed from the magazine....but only one cartridge in the magazine.

Mike

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Re: Do you load a magazine to full capacity? [Re: Mike_McGuire]
      #68872 - 06/01/07 02:12 AM

I've been shooting at public ranges here in the San Francisco bay area for ages.

Although things have changed over the years, everywhere I've been fairly recently allowed shooting from magazine rifles with loaded magazines.
Just the other day I was at a public range shooting quick pairs with my .458wm bolt gun and had no trouble at all. Mind you I was the only guy on the 100yd rifle range that afternoon.
I have seen numerous dumbasses with martial arms get called off the bench line for engaging in 'spray and pray' tomfoolery. Indiscriminate rapid-fire bursts from centerfire rifles at public range shooting benches are strictly frowned upon.
There are however public facilities (typically separate quarters at said ranges) for tactical/combat/action shooting practice and competition where rapid-fire from centerfire martial arms is allowed.

This all in the S.F. bay area of California.


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mehulkamdar
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Re: Do you load a magazine to full capacity? [Re: Mike_McGuire]
      #68873 - 06/01/07 02:23 AM

Mike,

Yes, the rules mandate that you have to single load into the chamber over here. That is why I hardly shoot my rifle in Illinois, as you point out it can be a headache with a MAuser pressing the extractor and all that. It is even worse for semi auto shooters as you can guess. Just imagine single loading a 22 lr round into a Marlin 60 with adult sized fngers...

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Re: Do you load a magazine to full capacity? [Re: tinker]
      #68874 - 06/01/07 02:26 AM

Tinker,

I am really, very pleasantly surprised that Pelosiland allows what other parts of the US don't. Very, very nice!

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