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larcher
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kevlar bag for a target
      #68380 - 30/12/06 07:15 PM

I was using a kevlar bag as a target and was very content. The French dealer can no longer offer these target and it’s a pity. The Kevlar fabric is excessively tough and sustain thousands of impact. Stuffed with fabric or rags they enable removing the planted arrow without effort at all. No doubt that Kevlar is expensive but its durability makes it economical.

These bags figure either the usual target with four bull eyes on each side
or silhouettes of animals from the hare up to the boar.
I have prowled on the net seeking Kevlar bag, printed or not, in vain.

Has anybody a hint about where I can find these targets?

Or when I can order plain Kevlar bags?

Or Kevlar fabric by the squ meter, not acre.?

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Re: kevlar bag for a target [Re: larcher]
      #68480 - 01/01/07 04:04 PM

I have been shooting 3D archery on the national level here for over 10 years. I have been running our local archery club for that long also. I have never heard of kevlar bag covers. We use the Morrel Outdoor Range bags for our archery club. We get one year out of a cover for the club, I have used my personal bag for over 5 years if you keep it out of the weather. Morrell sells replacment bags for about $20. The bags are a nylon mesh outcover with a heavy duty plastic inner liner.

Good luck on your search.


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Re: kevlar bag for a target [Re: Scott]
      #68732 - 04/01/07 06:07 AM

Thanks Scott,

I have got kevlar (aramyd) bags from Buffalo archerie in France. You bet its manager won't tell where from he got the bags, but now he is in real trouble for he can get any more bags.
I prowl on the net for these devices and I didn't find any. I feel a bit shy and I don't dare to ask to makers a couple of square meters when they are selling by far wider.
I keep searching.
Thanks for advicing Morell, it'll be my picking should I not find these frigging bags.Cheers

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Re: kevlar bag for a target [Re: larcher]
      #68734 - 04/01/07 06:49 AM

Larcher:
please let us know if you find the bags and where they can be obtained.

I recently learned that a bale of straw at 30 meteres is not near enough to contain the bolt from my crossbow and I would really like to find something that can withstand and hold them.

I suspected that the bale may not be enough and set it up so that if it went through (and it did) that the bolt/arrow would fall harmlessly in an open area of the property,,,, I found it with the help of a friend a day later burried to the feathers 15 meters beyond the bale.

has anyone tried "the cube" (a multi layered foam block)?
I looked at in a sporting goods store and the clerk didnt know if it would contain a bolt from a cross bow.... has anyone had any experience they care to share in this regard?

any info is appreciated
DT

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Re: kevlar bag for a target [Re: Double_Trouble]
      #68917 - 06/01/07 12:20 PM

Are you shooting field/target points or broadheads? Also where do you live?

scott


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Re: kevlar bag for a target [Re: Scott]
      #68927 - 06/01/07 02:33 PM

Brian Harre a hunting guide from New Zealand used sphagnum moss in a wool or similar bale as the backing of targets for his practice. It seemed to work very well.

Maybe there is a similar moss or natural plant in France maybe alpine regions that can be utilised.

Quote:

The sustainability of Sphagnum moss harvesting in Australia

Abstract of a report written by Dr Jennie Whinam
Tasmanian Parks & Wildlife Service for Environment Australia, June 1997

Background

Sphagnum peatlands make up only a small fraction of the landscape of south-eastern Australia, but they are a distinctive and unique habitat.

Sphagnum moss is extensively used by the horticultural industry. Its water holding capacity makes it a useful potting medium, particularly favoured by orchid growers and for wrapping rose and fruit tree rootstock for transportation. At present all Sphagnum harvesting in Australia is from natural (i.e. wild) populations. S. cristatum is the most common species in Australia, and is the main species harvested, although S. australe and S. subsecundum are often harvested as well.

Sphagnum peatlands generally form in situations of relatively high rainfall and low evaporation, in areas never or rarely subject to drought, between 300 and 1500 m elevation and in infertile, anaerobic soils. The most common settings for Sphagnum peatlands are in river valleys, beside lakes and streams or on sandstone shelves, where drainage is impeded. The acid environment created by Sphagnum deters bacteria and fungi which would otherwise decompose the dead material. This allows peat to accumulate.

The long-term viability of Sphagnum harvesting is influenced by altitude, shade, watertable level and the retention of moss cover over a peatland. Sphagnum moss growth rates appear to be relatively slow in Australia, as most peatlands occur in the montane and sub-alpine zone, with very few sites appearing viable for sustainable Sphagnum moss harvesting.

To assess the sustainability of harvesting, several sites were selected in Tasmanian and Victorian Sphagnum peatlands in different environments and harvesting conditions to measure the growth of Sphagnum moss. S. cristatum was the species measured at all sites. The growth rate varied in Tasmania from 0.4 cm/year at a high altitude site (950 m) at Mt Field to 4.2 cm/year at an extremely sheltered, highly productive site at 530 m in central Tasmania. In Victoria, the growth rate at the high altitude (1380 m) site at Baw Baw varied from 1.9 cm/year to 5.2 cm/year at a sheltered site at 900 m in the Central Highlands. Not surprisingly, moss growth declines as altitude increases.

CODE OF PRACTICE FOR Sphagnum MOSS HARVESTING

Harvesting

Sphagnum moss harvesting should be excluded from :

1. Alpine and sub-alpine sites (i.e. sites with a minimum mean January temperature of 10 degrees Celsius or less).
2. Sites that :
* are on basalt;
* are on limestone (in sinkholes);
* contain rare or threatened plant/animal species or communities;
* are floating (i.e. aquatic) moss beds;
* rainforest-Sphagnum peatlands;
* that are undisturbed sites.
3. Small Sphagnum peatlands (sites less than 20 ha).
4. Sites with a fluctuating watertable.

Management Prescriptions

Where harvesting occurs, the impacts on harvesting on a site can be minimised by :

1. Retaining shrubs during harvesting.
2. Retaining approximately 30% Sphagnum moss cover and spreading it on any bare patches that occur during harvesting.
3. Avoiding the use of machinery that cuts up bog surfaces.
4. Leaving an even surface so that all remaining Sphagnum is close to the watertable.
5. Allowing in the order of 5-10 years regeneration before reharvesting.
6. Minimise roading and drainage works in the catchment above and surrounding Sphagnum peatlands.

Reservation Prescriptions

Reserves of Sphagnum peatlands should be :

1. of adequate size and number to allow for natural changes and to conserve different types
2. prioritised to target reservation of undisturbed sites.




http://www.deh.gov.au/biodiversity/trade-use/wild-harvest/plants/sphagnum.html

Another website: http://www.anbg.gov.au/gnp/interns-2002/sphagnum-cristatum.html


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Re: kevlar bag for a target [Re: Scott]
      #68963 - 07/01/07 12:53 AM

Scott:

I am shooting field points, but would also like to shoot the ocaisional broadhead just to be sure that they are on the same POA.
I am up in Canada.

DT

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Re: kevlar bag for a target [Re: Double_Trouble]
      #69270 - 11/01/07 03:09 AM

Double trouble

What is important is the rags inside the bag, not the bag. I am looking for kevlar so as to have a durable bag. Fabric are ripped very quickly.
For a crossbow, 40 cm of rags will stop an arrow, no doubt.

When I bought my 90# Bowtech, the shopkeeper sighted in with a cube. IMO the cube can withstand crossbow arrows. When testing my bow, another guy was training with a project for Africa and broadheads. Both our arrows was not imbeded more than 10 cm in the cube. But the Cube is expensive and less durable than rags.

John,

The name in French is almost the same : SPHAIGNE. It's a good idea, I'll look for some. My hunting partner, my cousin Luc who comes always with me in Africa is running a garden management company. He has plenty of this stuff.

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Re: kevlar bag for a target [Re: larcher]
      #69271 - 11/01/07 03:12 AM

Quote:

John,

The name in French is almost the same : SPHAIGNE. It's a good idea, I'll look for some. My hunting partner, my cousin Luc who comes always with me in Africa is running a garden management company. He has plenty of this stuff.




The stuff is also used in female hygiene products for absorbentcy so I guess it has more than one use!

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Re: kevlar bag for a target [Re: larcher]
      #69273 - 11/01/07 03:24 AM

thanks for the information Larcher ....I will get to work on constructing the bag!


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Re: kevlar bag for a target [Re: Double_Trouble]
      #71226 - 11/02/07 02:33 PM

THe block target will work for both field points and broadheads. However the durability is not real long. I would stick to using it for mostly broadheads.

The bag target will be superior for field points. DO NOT SHOOT BROADHEADS into a bag target. At best it tears the target up, at worst you have to cut the arrow out of the bag. The broadhead continues to spin after entering the bag and winds the cotton (or whatever the filling is) around the front end. A real pain to remove.

Our club does not allow broadheads on the bag targets, but I still get a few who want to try. We will find big holes in the bag or worse, broadheads left behind in the bag.

My favorite broadhead target is a 24x24x24 cube of styrofoam. We get them from a manufacturing company for about $60.


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