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Dave_Hall
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45-70 doubles
#67484 - 20/12/06 07:10 AM

I looking to buy a 45-70 double sometime here,to hunt deer and black bear in the swamps where I hunt.I was wondering want kind of pressures they can take.Who makes the best for the money?I want to use top end Marlin lever loads or #1 loads.Thanks for any info.Dave.

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NE450No2
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Re: 45-70 doubles [Re: Dave_Hall]
#67492 - 20/12/06 08:57 AM

Dave,
My brother and another friend had 45/70 Pederolsi hammer guns.

They both shot very well and will take any load suitable for the Marlin, including Buffalo Bore, Corbon and Garretts.

I think Ruger No1 loads would be a bit much, for any double.

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Dave_Hall
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Re: 45-70 doubles [Re: NE450No2]
#67494 - 20/12/06 09:09 AM

The loads you have above are plenty.I use some beefed up Marlin loads in my new NEF Handi 45-70.There more than enough.I was thinking of a Kodiak in a hammerless.I would like to find one used,but they are a little tough to find.Do you know any place that has them new for a good price?Thanks for info.Dave.

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AkMike
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Re: 45-70 doubles [Re: Dave_Hall]
#67502 - 20/12/06 10:43 AM

When you're talking hammerless the price goes up. Saice is getting good reviews as shown here. http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=66410&an=0&page=0#Post66410

Also a member here,"Colorado" is building DR's on shotguns. You could do a search for the info and PM him.

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Edited by AkMike (20/12/06 11:35 AM)

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NE450No2
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Re: 45-70 doubles [Re: AkMike]
#67503 - 20/12/06 10:56 AM

Dave
Something you might think about....
I am a big fan of the 45/70....

However, I have found that a 9,3x74R double is one of the best, if not THE best hunting rifle on the Planet, especially if scoped.

Research my previous posts here and on Accuratereloading.

I have been using a Chapuis 9,3x74R double for the last several years with PERFECT success in Texas, Montana, Idaho, Canada, and 3 Safaris to Zimbabwe.

I have taken game with ironsights and scope.
From beaver and bobcat to cape buff and elephant, it does the job.

Think about it.

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Re: 45-70 doubles [Re: NE450No2]
#67508 - 20/12/06 11:36 AM

AkMike the hammerless is what I want,but I'd take the hammers for a good price.NE450no2 can you get a 9.3x74R in a Double for about the price of the 45-70.I can't go real pricey for a couple years yet till my Caddy's payed off,but I want to play with a Double.Dave.

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NE450No2
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Re: 45-70 doubles [Re: Dave_Hall]
#67511 - 20/12/06 12:31 PM

Dave
Check on www.accuratereloading.com for the group buy on Chapuis 9,3 doubles.

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Dave_Hall
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Re: 45-70 doubles [Re: NE450No2]
#67520 - 20/12/06 02:07 PM

I just talk to a friend of mine,and he said Remington offers a Double SPR22 in 45-70.I took a look at the site.It olny has a max CUP of 28,000.Is this black powder loads?Is the new Hornady loads more pressure than this ? Are these guns any good for money? Dave.

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Re: 45-70 doubles [Re: Dave_Hall]
#67526 - 20/12/06 03:03 PM

I've seen 9.3mm doubles for under A$5,000.

Second hand ones would be cheaper too.

Just might have to wait for the right one to come up.

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AkMike
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Re: 45-70 doubles [Re: NitroX]
#67542 - 20/12/06 05:27 PM

Dave, the Remmy has been dreamed about for several years. None have ever been seen out side of a few examples at gunshows. Don't hold your breath!
I'd look at Colorado's DR's if I were looking for a setup you describe.
He did or maybe does advertize them at 'gunsamerica.com'
45-70 to 50-140 smokeless loads.

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Dave_Hall
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Re: 45-70 doubles [Re: AkMike]
#67545 - 20/12/06 09:26 PM

MIke I sent him message I'm just waiting for him to get back.I'll see if I can find his ad.I'm thinking the loads for the Rem. maybe to light.I won't spend any money on just a black p. load gun.Dave.

I looked on there couldn't find his ad,but looked at the Doubles on theres alot more then is on gunbrokers.I could look at Double pic's all day.

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45-120 Sharps
450 Nitro Express
2011 Ruger SP-101 4.2" 357 MAG.

Edited by davehall (20/12/06 09:49 PM)

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AkMike
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Re: 45-70 doubles [Re: Dave_Hall]
#67573 - 21/12/06 05:53 AM

Doubles are addictive! I've got 5 and a new Chapuis due in a couple of weeks. You're getting a "monkey on your back" too!

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Re: 45-70 doubles [Re: AkMike]
#67589 - 21/12/06 08:23 AM

Me and that monkey are waiting for the Caddy to be payed off so I can get my used 450 NE.Do you know anyone with a 450 NE I would like to have a dummy round I have a dummy round 45-120 Sharps with a 555gr Hard Cast in it from what I've read it's close.Dave

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45-120 Sharps
450 Nitro Express
2011 Ruger SP-101 4.2" 357 MAG.

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AkMike
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Re: 45-70 doubles [Re: Dave_Hall]
#67602 - 21/12/06 09:22 AM

Look here for the specs. http://members.shaw.ca/cstein0/riflelist2.htm

They're close but the Nitro is bigger capacity.

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Re: 45-70 doubles [Re: Dave_Hall]
#67740 - 22/12/06 12:43 PM

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The loads you have above are plenty.I use some beefed up Marlin loads in my new NEF Handi 45-70.There more than enough.I was thinking of a Kodiak in a hammerless.I would like to find one used,but they are a little tough to find.Do you know any place that has them new for a good price?Thanks for info.Dave.

The Pedersoli Kodiak is stricly a hammer gun. The Siace is available hammerless if I recall correctly.

The new Pedersolis have gotten so high with the Euro/Dollar difference that the Chapuis or Merkel start to look pretty good.

There is a Kodiak on Gunbroker right now:

45-70 Auction

Someone just bought a 9.3 double there as well:

9.3 Auction

Good luck to you!

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AkMike
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Re: 45-70 doubles [Re: Charles_Helm]
#67782 - 22/12/06 06:27 PM

I just stumbled across this tid bit on SIACE rifles..
http://store.bluebookinc.com/download/Model.aspx?product=GUN&id=1487

The hammerless is approx $3337 when converted from Euros

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Edited by AkMike (22/12/06 06:28 PM)

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