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hoppdoc
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AFRICAN SAFARI--??HOW MUCH$$$$$
      #66121 - 01/12/06 10:09 PM

I Enjoy this website immensely. It is GREAT to have it back up!

SAFARIS!!

SENSITIVE SUBJECT BUT AT SOME POINT IT ALL COMES DOWN TO $$$

Hunting friends of moderate income have inquired what is the actual price to hunt Africa and at what level??

I have seen multi hunter inclusive plains game hunts(5 animals) in RSA for as low as 5K.

DG hunts seem more $$supply/demand driven. Why should an ELE hunt cost so much vs a Buff, etc,etc?

What is the experience of this forum on basic vs other level hunts??

Airfare? How much? $2500?

Economical vs Best Hunting areas and reasonable $$costs? What differences exist for PG? for DG areas?

Daily rates for PG? Daily rates for DG hunts? for Buff?
for Ele?

Any outstanding hunts for less $$$ out there for PG?
What outfits?

For DG?
What outfits?

What countries are overpriced? Underpriced?

How much for taxidermy and to get trophies out of africa??

What IS a reasonable total cost to hunt Africa??

Thanks for any opinions/input offered.


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Re: AFRICAN SAFARI--??HOW MUCH$$$$$ [Re: hoppdoc]
      #66128 - 02/12/06 12:17 AM

The cheapest way to hunt Africa, is packages, and even cheaper, "culling packages", if you share. For instance (at the risk of sounding like an ad!), a hunt similar to the one Nitrox went on in Namibia, but over 10 days and including 2 springbok, a gemsbok, a kudu, a warthog, a red hartebeest (6 animals total), all dayfees and trophy fees included for US$ 4500. A culling hunt can cost you as little as US$ 3000 for 10 days, including 15 animals of which 5 will be exportable as trophies. The culling hunt I am offering are for 12 springbok in the Kalahari (of which at least one will be a 13" plus trophy, just to sweeten the deal), 2 gemsbok, of which at least one will be trophy bull, and a trophy kudu bull, all for US$ 3000, inclusive of dayfees. (The kudu and gemsbok don't need culling; I just add them to make it a good deal). The catch is that’s for a minimum of 4 hunters. For 2 hunters only, its US$ 3600 per hunter, and for 1 hunter alone, its US$ 4000. This is for a 10 day trip, to give you a very good opportunity to hunt, not just shoot all your animals, and also to add some more, if you want. The cost is comparable to just paying a day fee, but hunt a total of 15 animals as well.

If someone are interested, they can contact me by email:
karl@huntingsafaris.net , for more info.

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Re: AFRICAN SAFARI--??HOW MUCH$$$$$ [Re: Ndumo]
      #66224 - 02/12/06 10:37 PM

Hoppdoc

Thank you for your comments. The members make the site what it is.

Hunting friends of moderate income have inquired what is the actual price to hunt Africa and at what level??

My elephant hunt cost me only about US$5300 for two cow elephants (one was free due to having lost over half its trunk). Plus all the travel costs.

It would also be possible to do a moderate plains game hunt with a few animals for a similar price depending on what trophy fees are listed.

I have seen multi hunter inclusive plains game hunts(5 animals) in RSA for as low as 5K.

As Karl above suggests Namibia for plains game is excellent value.

Any other outfitters visiting here, please feel free to mention any deals you have.

DG hunts seem more $$supply/demand driven. Why should an ELE hunt cost so much vs a Buff, etc,etc?

Actually for the last two years a cow elephant hunt in the Zambezi Valley has been considerably cheaper than a cape buffalo hunt. The trophy fee can also be less too.

If these continue for a year or two it is very worthwhile considering a cow elephant hunt, as in my opinion the cheaper prices won't last forever.

No trophy to take home unless it has small tusks and is not a tuskless hunt. But very good fun, photos and memories to take home. Also saves the very expensive taxidermy and freight (etc) costs which can be as much as the hunt itself.

Economical vs Best Hunting areas and reasonable $$costs? What differences exist for PG? for DG areas?

A lot of dangerous game areas are not very productive for good plains game hunting. But if one is not too selective often an extra animal or two can be taken.

I hunted the Omay communal area near Lake Kariba this year, and plains game was quite scarce. Not sure if we saw a single trophy quality animal either. But this outfitter also has a plains game property between Lake Kariba and Bulawayo where clients wanting plains game go after hunting their elephant or buffalo.

If you can avoid expensive charter flights, it is a big saving. Maybe a couple extra days driving but you see the country for good or ill.

All of the areas I hunted were not "economical areas" but the safaris have been reasonably priced. I don't really think in terms of an 'economical area' vs a 'best hunting area'. I think there are other factors.

However if you wanted a heavy tusked ele trophy or something like that, perhaps areas that have those reputations have a premium price.


What countries are overpriced? Underpriced?

Botswana is very expensive. Namibia has well priced plains game as can South Africa which can also have very expensive hunting. Zimbabwe has very well priced safaris if you look.

Depends on what you want.

How much for taxidermy and to get trophies out of africa??

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Re: AFRICAN SAFARI--??HOW MUCH$$$$$ [Re: NitroX]
      #66268 - 03/12/06 10:36 AM

I have been quoted 18K for a Buff hunt in Masialand, Tanzania for 2 Buff.Great hunt but pricey.

I have friends who have hunted Zim for one Buff and tuskless female Ele for less than that.

Any thoughts regarding the best DG hunt, combo or prime areas hunting one species at a time?

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Re: AFRICAN SAFARI--??HOW MUCH$$$$$ [Re: hoppdoc]
      #66326 - 04/12/06 10:06 AM

What is the best way to "deal" on a DG hunt??

Is daily rate plus trophy fees the best way to shop a DG hunt if a quality professional hunter is found?

Should you hunt with the same PH before pursuing any "end of season" deals with left over quota? Or is it far better to hunt the prime season times at the regular rate?

How does one choose a DG hunt with an assurance of plentiful game?

Thanks for any thoughts on these matters.

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Re: AFRICAN SAFARI--??HOW MUCH$$$$$ [Re: hoppdoc]
      #66341 - 04/12/06 05:49 PM

hoppdoc, I believe that the end of season deals are the best deals available for dangerous game hunting. The drawback is that it is extremely hot, or that the rainy season can start at any moment. It would be best to have hunted with that specific outfitter before, even in another area or for other game, so that you have build up some sort of trust with him. I inform all my previous clients that has expressed a interest in end season DG hunts as soon as I have any. This normally takes care of the leftover quota quickly, as these guys know me already, and if in the market for what I'm offering, book soon. The second best deals are normally package deals, or hunts for a few elephant cows.

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Re: AFRICAN SAFARI--??HOW MUCH$$$$$ [Re: Ndumo]
      #69352 - 12/01/07 06:22 AM

I've always questioned the differences in the daily fees myself and why such a great disparity in prices concerning the animal hunted.
For example when I hunted plains game in Zim, I paid $300.00 per day. Another client in camp was hunting buffalo at $500.00 per day. A third client in camp was hunting ele and just about anything else that moved at a $1000.00 a day. We all had the same accomadations, ate the same food together, taveled in the same type vehicles. I was on a 1 x1PH hunt, the guy hunting buffalo was a 1 x 1PH (his PH carried a rifle), and the guy hunting ele was on 1 x 2PH (both carrying rifles) + there was a Govmt. agent of some sorts with them. All of us had 2 trackers with us every day.
I guess the high cost of the daily rates for the ele hunter had to be to cover the cost of the second PH and the Govmt.agent. I couldn't justify the cost difference between the guy hunting buffalo and myself. Surely carrying a rifle doesn't necessitate an extra $200.00 a day.


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Re: AFRICAN SAFARI--??HOW MUCH$$$$$ [Re: hoppdoc]
      #69356 - 12/01/07 07:56 AM

Quote:

What is the best way to "deal" on a DG hunt??






Wait until Sept or Oct and send an email to a bunch of outfitter asking what leftovers they have on sale.


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Re: AFRICAN SAFARI--??HOW MUCH$$$$$ [Re: 500grains]
      #69357 - 12/01/07 08:49 AM

I think many of the costs are upfront costs that you can find out by talking to travel agents & selected outfitters, what isn't told you is the stuff that makes people angry, and there are many things covered here. #1 - getting to hunting camp - drive, fly? Most outfits charge out from 3-500 to drive you into hunting camp, mozm. tanz, etc. you are going to have to charter a plane in. This gets costly, while your plane ticket might run 2-2500 the charter can cost that much again. Governmental fees add up very quick, especially in tanz. There are areas there that can cost more per day in fees than your outfitter charges in zim. What you want to shoot, and what you will can be 2 different things. Leopard for instance may take 3 or 4 or 5 trips. some guys get what they want in 1 others don't Plains game is cheap to hunt compmared to DG. Lion for instance is going out of sight, When I bagged my lion a few years ago I did it for about 18000, now it'd be 40 or more. My trophy ele was about the same as the lion, now it'd be half again as much. You will find that trophy fees regulate the end cost of the hunt. Also if the trophy fees are low, the daily rate is high and visa versa. Taking an affordable hunt is easy, providing you don't end up shooting forty animals. a plains game hunt with 6-8 animals on 10 days is quite affordable, but if you throw in another 6-8 animals, it is much less so. The other thing is that there is no such thing as going to africa once. That is the start. When deciding on animals, look at the area and see what grows really big there. For instance in RSA you can to to natal and shoot an impala that is huge there, but small in the transvaal. Realize that on your next trip you may be in an area that would hold a bigger average size animal that where you are and pass on the small one. Don't for the $$ involved in tips. This depends on the individual, but some guys are really generous and some aren't. that is up to you and how happy you are, just remember they exist. So far as countries go i think zim is the best bargain, with tanz being the most expensive of the common countries. cameroon and the like for bongo or lord derby is best not thought about until you've made a few trips. RSA has the greatest selection, but the trophy fees on some animals there are enough to choke a horse. (for instance a sable may be 3-4 times the trophy fee there as in zim) This is a long enuf post, but I hope I answered a question or 2 anyway

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Re: AFRICAN SAFARI--??HOW MUCH$$$$$ [Re: butchloc]
      #69372 - 12/01/07 05:20 PM

A lot depends on the criteria you apply to selecting a hunt, the species you choose to hunt and what country you choose to hunt in. If price is your highest priority then Zim will probably be your best bet (esp for DG or DG/PG combos) - but once decided on that country, then I'd recommend you look for a company of repute rather than the cheapest deal. Lacey Act and other problems would mean the cheapest might bring you problems later on. Remember however, that as each year goes by, things will probably give more problems.... at least for the foreseeable future. - Whilst not a complete list of the best operations up there - you might like to consider, Charlton McCullum, Andy Hunter, Roger Whittal, Ian Gibson or our very own Ganyana. - all have excellent reputations and will give you a good hunt at a fair price and you'll know you're only hunting areas that are fully legal.

You'll probably pay more in many other African countries but you're getting a different deal - hence the different price. You mentioned Masailand and Selous in Tanzania. (for DG combined with PG) Masailand tends to have bigger Buff but fewer of them and if it's your first Buff hunt, I'd recommend you opt for the Selous. - If you do opt for Masailand, I'd recommend you extend the hunt to ten days. The reason Elephant or cat hunts (for example) are more expensive than Buff hunts in Tanzania is that Buff are on a 7 day licence and Elephant & cats on a 21 day licence - and consequently there are more Govt and camp fees, the quota is also considerably smaller for Elephant & cats than it is for Buff and pretty much all supplies have to be flown in, in TZ due to the large distances involved.

Mozambique is another option - but I'd recommend you only consider it if you're very fit and even then be cautious of what time of year you book. - Prices used to be very good there but are starting to rise - due at least in part to the improvement of facilities etc and more remote areas now being opened up to hunting. - The downside is that sometimes the Govt departments aren't very well organised.

For PG hunts only, you might like to consider Namibia, Tuli block Botswana as well as RSA.

Botswana has good DG hunts although quotas are small and consequently tend to sell out early - but they're not the cheapest and as the licencing system is different there, you'll only be allowed to hunt the species you've bought licences for in advance. There will be a new catagory of Elephant hunt in Botswana this year - but you need to go or send someone to an auction for the licence and trophy fee - so prices can't be accurately quoted in advance. A guideline would be around US$25K for a 10 day hunt including trophy fee, licences, rifle import, CITES permit, camp fees and booze etc........Average size (from a pilot scheme in 06) would be around 50lbs a side. Biggest was around 75 lbs - but it was a single tusker.

In the last 27 years, I've hunted about 7 African countries - 5 professionally, and if quality is the main criteria, then from my personal experience you can't beat the true wilderness areas in Tanzania. - but I'd recommend you avoid most of the buffer zones and make sure of the classification of the area you're hunting.

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Re: AFRICAN SAFARI--??HOW MUCH$$$$$ [Re: shakari]
      #69373 - 12/01/07 05:41 PM

I recommend you take a look at a PG/Buff hunt with www.brooklandssafaris.com in their SAVE area.

They have big buff and I have never seen so much plains game.

You will also see a lot of elephants, and on my last trip I saw both kinds of rhino.

They have a great camp and the food is great.


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Re: AFRICAN SAFARI--??HOW MUCH$$$$$ [Re: hoppdoc]
      #69389 - 13/01/07 02:07 AM

In a nutshell, I've found that top-quality plainsgame-only hunts work out to a cost of about $1,000 per head of game, a number which includes all actual safari costs, as well as transportation, tips, miscellaneous expenses, and so forth.

To me, the best dangerous game deals in Africa are the short 7 or 10-day buffalo hunts in Tanzania. You can get two buffalo on these hunts (which would require to seperates safaris anywhere else) as well as plainsgame that's unique to East Africa, plus the luxury, tradition, and feel of East Africa, and on some of these safaris, those costly aircharters are included in the price, or else the safari company picks you up right at the airport and transports you directly to camp in a vehicle.

Jim McCarth Adventures had two outstanding hunting opportunities for a very fair price.

One is a 7-day, 2 X 1 buffalo special @ $7500 that includes buffalo trophy fees. The other is an 8-day plainsgame package in Botswana that's priced at $7,950 1 X 1, and includes trophy fees for kudu, gemsbuck, eland, blue wildebeest, steinbuck, and round-trip airfare from the USA to Jo-Berg. You may also take other species for additional trophy fees.

That, dear friends, is a true plainsgame bargain, and it takes place in a country that is, as a rule, extremely expensive to hunt............

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Re: AFRICAN SAFARI--??HOW MUCH$$$$$ [Re: allenday]
      #69395 - 13/01/07 04:38 AM

Allen,

I don't usually comment about other safari companys etc for the obvious reason - but this one has come up before..... I don't know this guy from a bar of soap or whether he has a good or a bad reputation - but the Tanzania info looks a bit dubious and I'd recommend potential clients to look very closely at the offer and ask a few questions.

For example, is the area inside or outside the Selous. If it's outside the Selous then it's a buffer zone area and most buffer zones hold a far smaller game population per square kilometre than an area inside the Selous, the trophy fees are either out of date or he's selling them below government prices and losing money, there is also no mention of charters, rifle import fee, ammunition tax, community development fees, dip, pack and trophy transfer to Dar or if it's a licence per hunter or if it's a shared licence.....etc etc. The info about hunting cats is also somewhat confusing. - He says you can hunt a single cat on a sixteen day hunt - I don't know if that is suggesting it's possible to hunt it on a sixteen day licence or not - BUT if he is, he's wrong. Cats are only available on a 21 day licence and the client has to pay 21 days of all Government fees.....

Frankly, I don't see how anyone could offer a 7 day Buff hunt in the Selous for anywhere near that price and not lose a lot of money on the deal. Let alone pay a commission to an agent as well.

At the end of the day, there's no such thing as a free lunch in life.

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Re: AFRICAN SAFARI--??HOW MUCH$$$$$ [Re: allenday]
      #69573 - 16/01/07 01:06 PM

My Tanzania 21 day safari's initial cost will be approximately 44,000. I will have to pay trophy fee's + 15%, charter fee's, and then transport of trophies home. This is a considerable amount of money for an average person but fee's are increasing dramatically and one company will have it's fee's over 60,000 by the time I go in 2009. This would pay my trophy fee's, charter etc.. This is becoming a wealthy man's sport. I felt if I was ever going to do it I had better do it now or never have the opportunity. Tanzania while expensive will give me the opportunity to shoot and elephant, buffalo, other DG and a variety of PG. We only live once and might as well be in our dreams awake.

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Re: AFRICAN SAFARI--??HOW MUCH$$$$$ [Re: driftwood]
      #69602 - 16/01/07 07:23 PM

Prices always vary, mostly dependent on camp quality etc. Pretty much all the Selous areas are similar in hunt quality but some companies do things like put Persian carpets on the floor of the tents and/or give silver service dining etc. We use really good camps etc and have great staff & chefs. - Hell, we even have ice machines in camp! - but we don't bother with silver service dining and flash carpets etc...... and our 21 day hunt sells for just under US$39K inclusive of everything except rifle import, trophy fees and tips and that price will probably hold into 2008........

As you say, some companies are charging over US$60K now, but I guess it's never a bad thing for people to have a choice of product.....

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Re: AFRICAN SAFARI--??HOW MUCH$$$$$ [Re: shakari]
      #69605 - 16/01/07 08:14 PM


Driftwood,

Sounds like you and I are in the same boat. Last January I booked a 21 day hunt with Usangu Safari in Tanzania. I will be there Sept 1-21 this year. Prices keep getting higher and higher every year and I thought if I was ever going to get a Lion I had better do it now. While Tanzania is not the cheapest place to hunt, I wanted to give myself the best possible chance for the best possible trophy that I could. This will be my second trip to Africa. My first was in Zim 2X1 Cape Buffalo and plains game. I am hooked. A buffalo charge from 15 yards. Died at our feet. 2 458 lott and 2 416 rem shots were needed.
I'm a new member and am finding a wealth of information on this forum. Thank you members for your wealth of experience. I'll be listening in.

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Re: AFRICAN SAFARI--??HOW MUCH$$$$$ [Re: kagmeister]
      #69606 - 16/01/07 08:35 PM

Let me be the first to welcome you both to the forum. Kagmeister, I'll be in the Selous and Masailand the whole season - which area are you hunting? - Some of their areas border some of ours.......

Had a great experience with Lions in the Selous last year. First of all they were all around us for 2 or 3 hours, then we had 2 males fighting a yard from the blind, then a pair mating in much the same spot and then after about 4 0r 5 hours of having them nice and close to us we whacked one. We knew the pride well and there were no dependant young and the two pride holders were well past their sell by date. It was such a pleasure to be able to have the experience of sitting there with that particular client - he was as cool as a cucumber and I'd hunt anytime, anywhere with him............

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Re: AFRICAN SAFARI--??HOW MUCH$$$$$ [Re: shakari]
      #69608 - 16/01/07 08:59 PM


shakari,

Thanks for the fine welcome.
The only information I have is that I'll be in the Usangu Area (south central Tanz).
I have contacted my PH (Sherdell) to get coordinates, but his GPS was run over by a Land Cruiser.
I wanted to use google earth to get the lay of the land. Hopefully he will have the coordinates
back together and bring them to the SCI Show in Reno the end of this month. Sounds like the Selous might be another good place for Lion. What a Privilege. Thanks again for the Welcome.

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Re: AFRICAN SAFARI--??HOW MUCH$$$$$ [Re: kagmeister]
      #69610 - 16/01/07 09:26 PM

Oh so you won't be in the Selous then?

I seem to remember meeting Sherdell a couple of years ago when he was hanging a Lion bait near the road on our mutual boundary. - BwanaMich might know the area you're talking about and will hopefully comment......

Selous has big Lions but they tend to be rather tatty in the mane department......some say, it's because of the temperatures, some because of the thorns and some say it's genetic - my guess is it's a combination of all three or maybe just because they have tatty manes....... whatever the reason, they're a lot easier to hunt in the Selous than they are in Masailand.

I doubt you'll have much luck with Google Earth - they don't seem to have very detailed maps of the area I'm afraid.

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