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Classic416
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Australian Buffalo Question.
      #65689 - 11/11/06 04:17 PM

This question has probably been discussed before but I couldn't find it.
Finally got my CZ550 in 375H&H (haven't shot it yet though as I sent it straight off to the gunsmith to get bedded and a few other things done) Will have it down at the range in about a week and a half.Anyhow I am going to Nth QLD next year with a mate on a bit of a hunting trip.
Was wondering if there is much difference between the buffalo in Nth Qld as compared to those in the Territory? I grew up in the Mareeba area and we would often see what we used to call "scrub bulls" when I was out with my mates in the bush. They seemed pretty docile although they were wild; and just ran off at the sight of us. As kids, we were only armed with air rifles and .22's, so there wasn't much hope of downing one.
Is there many varieties of wild cattle/buffalo in Nth QLD or do I have to go to the Northern Territory to find the mean bastards? How do Australian buffalo compare (in general) with others around the world for dangerousness and agro?
I know I'm going to have a great time anyway, but I thought I start another discussion and find out some more about our Australian wildlife.


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Re: Australian Buffalo Question. [Re: Classic416]
      #65692 - 11/11/06 04:52 PM


Classic416

I don't think any differences exist between Buffalo in Aust.
One thing I have noticed is if the Buff etc have been assimilated and are used to people, cars, (and so are more docile / less likely to run at first sight). etc or whether totally wild and run on sight or are extremely wary of humans. Scrub Bulls the same but they are called Scrub Bulls for a reason in that they have lived in the wild a long time and have never been rounded up.

Scrub Bulls might run on sight but stick a bullet in them and they can get very agro and very chargeable very quickly - in some ways more so than Buff.

From people I have spoken to who have shot both types of Buff, I have been told they can be alot harder to put down than Cape Buff but are not as cunning - ie they won't circle and hide and then chare like you see written about Cape Buff.

From my experience, Water Buff will run on being hit and it seems only charge when wounded, can't run and you come up to them
(although the prick of a cow that charged me didn't stick to the rules !!!).

Just my HO.

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Re: Australian Buffalo Question. [Re: 500Nitro]
      #65704 - 12/11/06 04:00 AM

I know water buffalo have spread quite far over the years but are there any confirmed reports of water buffalo in Far North Queensland and Cape Yorke?

From my somewhat limited experience water buffalo in areas they have been hard hunted do not stand around looking. They head off very quickly at long ranges if they know humans or hunters are around. On one of last years water buffalo hunts we hunted for a couple days an area the outfitter had hunted a lot previously. I remember seeing the water buffalo bulls take off to the yonder at hundreds of metres and mentioned I might have to swap my .450 double for a .375 bolt with scope. The outfitter - Graham Williams - said "don't worry, we will get close to lots of them yet". And he was right. Later we hunted country that hadn't been hunted much yet and found good herds and bulls. One big benefit of an outfitter having the ability to shift camps every so often to new country. This may be particularly for inland hunts. The coastal wetlands being richer feed country seem to have much larger herds with new animals roaming in and out. Also has herd "masters" get shot other bulls take their place.

It would be nice to know and to study the habits of wild water buffalo to know more on what their habits are. How far does a bull roam? What sort of territory does a dominant bull hold? Do other dominant bulls service cows in the same "herds" or areas?

For scrub bulls (ie wild or feral cattle), which Far North Queensland certainly has many of, I agree with 500Nitro, that they are probably more agrressive than either water buffalo or cape buffalo. Especially when wounded. A lot of scrub bulls come from calves that have never been handled by humans as well. On some very large stations whole areas of the leases are not mustered as it is not always economically feasible, so herds in these areas have effectively been raised in the wild.

Alan Moon when making hunting films said to me he had had many charges from scrub bulls and as it is hard to get a licence in Qld for a large calibre pistol as a backup to the camera (a long arm being hard to carry when filming), it certainly added to the "fun" of filming.

Also I believe a water buffalo bull is harder to put down than a cape buffalo bull, one reason being a considerably larger body size. But any animal will die very quickly with a brain or spine shot (incacipation). as 500Nitro says I would place a cape buffalo as a much more wary and cunning beast, not having domesticated "genes" and also growing up in an environment with deadly predators such as lion. And man of course.

Just like cape buffalo there have been accounts of unprovoked charges. Matt Graham summed it up, I thinks with - sometimes they are in a bad mood, and just want to move you out of their way. In 2004 we certainly encountered one old broomed off water buff bull like this. First he was curious, then started to run off, but as he ran off, he hooked at a sapling snapping it off and bringing it down. This caused him to hook around back straight at us. His attitude when hitting the sapling seemed to take a definite change from curious to aggressive. He came very close to us, stopped. Walked five steps forward. We decided to take some steps back. He took more steps forward, we took a few more back. This all at about 20 metres. We then decided we wanted a bigger bull and as it was the first morning of the hunt week, decided to retreat and let him be. He wasn't a happy boy.



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Re: Australian Buffalo Question. [Re: Classic416]
      #65705 - 12/11/06 04:02 AM

In reply to:

Anyhow I am going to Nth QLD next year with a mate on a bit of a hunting trip.




Are you hunting "self-guided" or with a hunting guide? Who with?

Anyhow hope you have great fun, gets lots of pigs and some scrub bulls. FNQ is an area I want to hunt one day soon too so make sure you tell us about it and how it goes.



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Re: Australian Buffalo Question. [Re: NitroX]
      #65727 - 12/11/06 07:18 AM


NitroX

Well put. A good summary.

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Classic416
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Re: Australian Buffalo Question. [Re: NitroX]
      #65761 - 12/11/06 08:50 PM

Thanks everone for the replies. The trip is still in the planning stage (only started looking into it a week ago) and I don't know all the details. I have a good friend up there whose brother has quite a few contacts on large properties. Through him I am hoping to get access to some good areas. It will all be self guided and at this stage I don't know what fees are involved; as regards the land owners. I also have a very good friend who does day fishing trips off Cairns (usually goes about 40nm off the coast). I will be staying with him. The plan is too spend 2-3 days fishing; the same hunting and a few days in Cairns just catching up with other friends. Be sometime in the middle of the year.

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Re: Australian Buffalo Question. [Re: Classic416]
      #65953 - 16/11/06 02:52 PM

I ver much doubt "water buffalo" have been able to make their way across to north Qld (unless someone has trucked a heap of them over that way). I strongly believe what you are referring to are the feral cattle ("scrub bulls").

I have shot quite a few of each and in MHO, the buffalo are a lot tougher animal, although equally enjoyable to hunt through scrub on foot when encountering at close range...

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Re: Australian Buffalo Question. [Re: dok]
      #66011 - 17/11/06 02:53 PM

dok:
I agree with the observation that there are no wild populations of buffalo on Cape York, but the occasional old bull will go 'walk-about' from the Northern Territory and could end up anywhere.

There was an old boy at Powlathanga Lagoon near Charters Towers more than 20 years ago, used to frighten the crap out of duck-shooters each season, but never actually hurt anyone to my knowledge. He eventually disappeared, probably sank from the weight of No.4 lead pellets in his backside!

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