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SCGunNut
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.411 KDF Magnum
      #65507 - 08/11/06 01:20 PM

Anybody else shoot a .411 KDF? I've got one of the first ones they produced. Haven't shot anything big and bad with it yet but I'm ready in case the pachyderms bust out of Riverbanks Zoo and end up in my garden. Just don't see this cartridge talked about much and wondered if anybody else here shoots one. Its twin, the .416 Taylor, gets a lot more press.

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Re: .411 KDF Magnum [Re: SCGunNut]
      #65510 - 08/11/06 02:23 PM

Do you know when it was made, I might have did the final range test on it. I killed a lot of paper with the .411 KDF.

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Re: .411 KDF Magnum [Re: DoubleD]
      #65573 - 09/11/06 02:26 PM

Don't know the year but the serial # is X-000(*) , single digit. It is matte blued in a laminated stock. I spoke to Phil about it some years ago and he said it was an experimental model.

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Re: .411 KDF Magnum [Re: SCGunNut]
      #65611 - 10/11/06 05:21 AM

Aaah the Experimental gun.

Is the rifle similiar to the Voere Titan or the Remington 700?

Probably the Voere Titan. About 1988-89 Voere of Germany went bankrupt and Mauser bought them out. Phil tried to work a deal with Mauser but it fell through. Phil then tried to have the Voere action made in the U.S. and that fell though after only a few actions were made. My suspicion is that you have one of those actions.

Here is a Voere Titan with a double set trigger.


The Titan was an interesting design. It has triple locking lugs. The lug seat is a heat treated ring that is inserted in the front of the action and is pinned in place by the barrel.

I was given a regular Voere Titan KDF K-15 , after I left the shop, as a reward for sales . My friend Jim Brockman--heard of him--was the lead gunsmith and made sure the rifle had all the best on it when it was sent to me. It is a 308 Norma Mag and is one of the most accurate guns I own.

If your rifle is one of the experimental U.S. made Voere's it was built by Brockman and I polished and blued it. Hope I did a good job, I did back then.

Of course your gun could be something else all together. But I did enjoy the trip down memory lane




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Re: .411 KDF Magnum [Re: DoubleD]
      #65868 - 14/11/06 02:24 PM

Yeah, it's a Titan but can't say whether it was made in Germany or the U.S., I assumed they were all German. Based on what you say, it probably is one of the American prototypes, especially with the X serial #. I'll try to get a buddy to take a picture of it and post it for me, I'm a computer moron myself.The blueing looks fine but it looks like the serial # was engraved, blued over and then engraved over again, slightly off from the first stamping. I've always liked the Titan action and last year picked up a Mauser 99 9.3x64 that matches up nicely with the .411. BTW, I like your choice of getting your KDF in .308 Norma. One of my favorites as well. I have a Parker-Hale Mauser in it that shoots like a dream.


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Re: .411 KDF Magnum [Re: SCGunNut]
      #65869 - 14/11/06 02:41 PM

Engraved Serial number? I don't recall that, but the I don't recalll how the serial numbers were to start with on the Americans.

One of KDF's tag lines was 3 shots under 1/2 inch, 5 shots inder 1 inch. I have a group from that .308 Norma, of 5 shots under 1/2 inch. Only ever did it once, but did do it. Never any problem with the 1 inch part with factory Ammo.



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Re: .411 KDF Magnum [Re: DoubleD]
      #65906 - 15/11/06 03:45 PM

The serial number and the caliber designation are engraved on this one rather than stamped, not that it is of any importance either way. I've never gotten half inch groups out of the .411 on a regular basis but have had a number of cloverleafs with the discontinued Barnes 325 gr X. Most are between and inch and inch and a half, which is plenty good for a thumper! The still available 300 gr X's are usually between 1.5"-2".

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