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500Nitro
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Re: Caste structure, product descriptions, budget. [Re: WildCattle]
      #62214 - 07/09/06 10:14 AM

Wild cattle

What about import duties, freight, customs, etc

Having sent a couple of guns to the US, it all adds up.

And if you take into account the money ties up, I think
you might find the importers are not making big fat commissions
when you take into account all of the costs.

Just my HO knowing what it costs to import anything now
and if it is gun related, more so.

And then you have the paperwork !!!!

Being a devils advocate, would you design and draw up plans
for a new 3 storey building / house for nothing ?
I think we need to apply to ourselves what we ask of others.

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Re: Caste structure, product descriptions, budget... [Re: tinker]
      #62215 - 07/09/06 11:41 AM

It's hard to see much from photos and as you say it would need to be closely examined by someone in the know.

One thing I did notice is that the extractor body is out of alignment with the barrel face.
This is visible on the left side where the extractor is sitting proud, but is flush on the right barrel side.
There is also a witness to this on the left side of the action face.
Most likely caused by a bent extractor rod.

This rifle does not really appear to have been thrown together in some back yard shed.
The quality of the fitted parts as shown in the photos appears quite good.
IMO whoever did the conversion was capable of producing a good result.
Still needs to be checked out before doing any serious dealing though.
That goes for ANY double, regardless of make, model, age, or supposed condition.


Edited by 4seventy (07/09/06 12:57 PM)

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WildCattle
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Re: Caste structure, product descriptions, budget. [Re: 500Nitro]
      #62217 - 07/09/06 12:14 PM

500Nitro,

Freight is ~$300, import fee ~$400, duty 3% (I believe), and the net price of a Chapuis would be $3273 (2550 Euros), so OK $4100 total cost would be about it. It would be cheaper if you import 2 as the freight would be less per gun.
It is an hassle, but not terrible. It mostly involves a bunch of faxes and delays and yes, some expenses.
I have imported some guns and will do it again. As a matter of fact, I have 3 in the pipe.
You cannot beat low end DR prices in Europe, because of the volume and local economic conditions.
Importers are basically making 20 to 50% gross margin because the DR market is quite different here in the US. That's why you can undercut them.
I am not saying that an importer should not make money, just that you can bypass their margin if you spend some time and effort doing the same things they do.
You are right, though; I did overshoot a bit by using "fat".
The only thing you lose in the process is the local warranty, which would basically be zippo on a similarly priced used gun anyway.
I guess that another point is that IMHO it is a lot easier to import a DR than to modify a shotgun and it's probably safer to boot. Granted you won't have the satisfaction of completing such a project.
By all means, one should take a look at all the costs and understand the process before pulling the trigger.
I just know it has worked out pretty well for me.
WC

P.S> As a matter of fact, I did the initial draft for my house (2 storey only) but paid an engineering firm to do the blueprints

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Re: Caste structure, product descriptions, budget. [Re: WildCattle]
      #62218 - 07/09/06 12:31 PM

these seams are tell-tale signs of a sleeved gun (or mono-blocked barrels - which seems unlikely with this vintage).





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Re: Caste structure, product descriptions, budget. [Re: WildCattle]
      #62220 - 07/09/06 12:44 PM

I may have a line on a sub 4K Chapuis 9,3 (New UGEX Extractor) if anyone is seriously interested. That would be a much better buy IMO.

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Re: Caste structure, product descriptions, budget. [Re: new_guy]
      #62222 - 07/09/06 12:48 PM

New Guy,
Yeah, spot on.
Most likely a 16 or 20 g shottie originally proofed at Suhl in August 1951 and "sometime" later converted/sleeved to 7x65R but not Reproofed.

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Seams [Re: new_guy]
      #62223 - 07/09/06 12:49 PM

New Guy-

That's exactly what I was referring to on the breech photo.


Bulldog-

PM me what you have on that 9.3



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Re: Seams [Re: tinker]
      #62224 - 07/09/06 01:13 PM

John,

Give me 24 hours to confirm and I will get back to you.

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Re: Seams [Re: bulldog563]
      #62227 - 07/09/06 02:45 PM

Go over to AR forums and search for the group buy of Chapuis 9.3's. DLN is handleing the buy and the price is sub $3500. IMO a screaming buy. I've got one coming.

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Re: Seams [Re: AkMike]
      #62230 - 07/09/06 03:40 PM

The price of Doubles can indeed be prohibitive.The price of my Merkel could buy 8-10 bolt rifles.

The only justification is their utility, speed of use, and function.

The 9.3 Chapuis sounds like a gtreat buy!!

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Re: Seams [Re: AkMike]
      #62231 - 07/09/06 04:00 PM

Is the group buy still going on? Thats the dealer I was talking about but I hadn't talked to him since May so wanted to confirm with him that the prices I had were correct and he was still doing the discount. If anyone wants to contact Dale drop me a pm and I will give you his email addy or you can go onto AR and send a pm to DLN.

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Re: Seams [Re: bulldog563]
      #62232 - 07/09/06 04:19 PM

Or contact him thru his website.
http://www.heirloomarmes.com/index.htm

I don't know if he's taking new discounted orders or not. I've had money down for several months. Delivery is delayed til Nov. because of labor troubles over there. Not enough `smiths to work at the benches.

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Re: Ahh... [Re: banzaibird]
      #62235 - 07/09/06 11:47 PM

Hey Banzaibird .......WELL SAID !

dont lurk man.... what you said was right on the money!

lets remember it isnt what you lay down FOR the rifle you shoot its what you lay down WITH the rifle you shoot.

from reading your post, if i had to call 911 i'm thinkin' it would be you who i would want rushing to the scene.

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Re: Seams, 9.3 GROUP BUY [Re: AkMike]
      #62380 - 11/09/06 07:46 PM

AKMIKE--

Talked to Dale--
Very nice fellow and very forthcoming.
If you got and closed the group deal you mentioned on the 9.3--fantastic!!! That was a barnburner deal!!

I spoke with him and due to currency exchange rates,etc, the followup group purchse purchase price has risen bigtime.Additional features such as claw mounts, ejectors, are still available with individual orders.

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Re: Those images... [Re: tinker]
      #62440 - 13/09/06 10:39 PM

In reply to:

So.
Make your own judgements.
I'm interested to hear what y'all have to say on this.


--Tinker



TINKER, in picture #2 it plainly shows the chambers have been sleeved, but I dont think the barrels were sleeved as well.

In the third picture of the proof marks, it plainly shows the chambering to be a 7X65R, not a 7.65.

This rifle looks a little rough to me, and might be a pig in a poke! However if it shoots properly, and the regulation is spot on, then it would make a very good hunting double rifle!



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