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Buckslam007
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Canada or US for white-tailed deer?
      #61787 - 28/08/06 12:55 AM

Would you rather go hunting white-tailed deer in USA or Canada for a trophy white-tailed deer? What kind of gun would you use and why?

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DPhillips
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Re: Canada or US for white-tailed deer? [Re: Buckslam007]
      #61803 - 28/08/06 06:12 AM

Canada. Main reason is because the U.S. is getting too much of a reputation of intentionally growing high fenced trophy bucks. I suppose if you could chase a big buck in the U.S. without having it "grown" behind a high fence and have a decent chance at getting one (Illinois, Kansas, Iowa all come to mind) then I would choose the U.S. However, I think odds are in Canada's favor for probability of bumping into a true trophy class whitetail without high fences. Manitoba, Alberta, Saskatchewan would all be my initial focus for researching big bucks.

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ovis
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Re: Canada or US for white-tailed deer? [Re: Buckslam007]
      #61917 - 30/08/06 12:25 PM

BuckS007,

The attached photo was taken three days ago.........we saw several more equal or better than this.........I'm hoping to be in this area during deer season......in a couple years, the deer in the photo will be something special.....



I agree w/DPhillips, Canada for wild whitetails.......I'm still on the road in Canada.......maybe a couple more photos when I have internet access again.

Joe

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luv2safari
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Re: Canada or US for white-tailed deer? [Re: Buckslam007]
      #61947 - 31/08/06 12:05 PM

Don't rule out far NW Montana for monsters. They grow big in the Yak and south of Eureka..

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AdamTayler
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Re: Canada or US for white-tailed deer? [Re: Buckslam007]
      #62893 - 22/09/06 03:24 PM

Canada (but then again I'm biased). Check out Saskatchewan, Alberta or the Peace River area of British Columbia.

6.5mm is minimum IMO but use what you are most confident with.

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allenday
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Re: Canada or US for white-tailed deer? [Re: Buckslam007]
      #64511 - 23/10/06 11:35 PM

I've hunted Texas for many years for whitetails, and I can tell you straight-out, if you're hunting a big ranch in the Lone Star State, you'll never know it's fenced until you drive to the limits of the property. The deer are just as cunning, wild, and challenging to hunt as anywhere else, plus the weather's usually good, Texas hospitality is second to none, and the food is fabulous.

Northern Idaho is another good whitetail destination (I'm hunting there, do-it-yourself, next season), as well as Kansas.

When it comes to whitetails, I'm keeping my money right here.............

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DarylS
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Re: Canada or US for white-tailed deer? [Re: Buckslam007]
      #64526 - 24/10/06 03:46 AM

I would think B.C., Alberta or Saskatchewan for really big Whitetail deer.
: We're getting a god huntable crop of big Whitetails around here, even, in the Prince George area & friends who target big bucks wiht their bows, hunt in B.C.'s interior around Quesnel an South for their trophies.
; The question was about big bucks, wasn't it? Not only antler size but nice fat bodies as well. The little buck I shot a short while ago, locally, was perhaps 210pounds to 230 pounds on the hoof, maybe more. He had a fat layer 2" thick on his hindquarters & hind end meat was marbled - great eating, btw. I was quite impressed at the amount of fat, not normal for Mule Deer here. Unfortunately, he was a genetically inferior 3 point. (per side + double brow tines = 8, I guess, Eastern count) Here, he was a 3 point. He was only 3 years old, or so, so was on the small side, actually similar to the 3 point in the photo above.
; My daughter uses a .260 Rem, I've used a 7x57 on a couple, .458Mag. on others and a 6.5x55, .375H&H, .69 ML. & .50 ML. They die easily, so about anything is good enough from about a .243 up. The bigger guns drop the deer and just punch a hole, while the small fast ones will destroy some meat and cause them to run a bit. Here in B.C., an centrefire is legal from my gophers guns in .17 to a bore sized rifle or shotgun. Stay away from buckshot- it's poor on deer or bear. You can actually hunt and get shots inside 100 yards, or shoot from the road at longer ranges - whatever you want, pretty simple.
; edited- had shoot from a velicle - strickly forbidden, of course, meant from a road or off the hood.

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Edited by Daryl_S (27/10/06 05:30 AM)

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AdamTayler
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Re: Canada or US for white-tailed deer? [Re: DarylS]
      #64537 - 24/10/06 04:55 AM

Daryl

The regs have changed. For WT the count now includes the brow tine so he would be considered a 4 point in the eyes of the Ministry. Old habits are hard to break.

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Grizzly
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Re: Canada or US for white-tailed deer? [Re: AdamTayler]
      #64623 - 25/10/06 01:30 PM

I would think that hauling the venison across international boundaries would be an issue.

While we do have our share here in the US of 500 acre game ranches, those are few and far between compared to the large operations. And hunting a 10,000 acre spread is the same degree of difficulty as some wild area.

In the US, state game lands are few and far between compared to 40 years ago. And those areas that are open look like the damned Normandy invasion on opening day.

It sounds like Canada is pretty much like the US was 40 or 50 years ago. But if our experience here is any indicator, that is going to change. The government can make money by auctioning off hunting rights. Private landowners can do the same.

Alaska is a good example. Low population, huge state. But the state auctions off rights to guides, and good luck to the out of state hunter going there without paying up. There may not be fences there, but the economics of a hunt there is a more effective barrier than a fence. A brown bear hunt in Alaska for 10 to 14 days is the same price or even a bit more than a 14 day hunt in Africa.



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ovis
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Re: Canada or US for white-tailed deer? [Re: Grizzly]
      #64678 - 26/10/06 10:07 AM

Alaska has huge area and the game is spread accordingly to specific habitat.........lots of area with little or no game.......it is always amusing to hear the Africa vs Alaska price comparisons.........true going both ways if you do your homework........brown bear hunts are at prices that the market bears(NPI)..........good brown bear guides are booked years in advance no matter the price. When comparing the two, Alaska & Africa, compare apples to apples....glamour game to glamour game.....there are "buy the rack" hunts in Texas that cost more than a brown bear hunt up here.......

Hunting in Alaska is expensive for residents unless you hunt the road system.........speak of your Normandy invasions, hunting the road system is the pits ........flying or boating into remote areas is as expensive for us as it is for the nons.........if you don't mind working hard and are in good physical condition, there are a number of very good hunting opportunities available without having to pay a guide. They include black bear(lots of black bear), blacktail deer, caribou, and moose........this applies only to US citizens. I might also add that guide areas are NOT auctioned off and are not exclusive areas........anyone licensed to hunt Alaska can hunt in those areas........a guide that interferes w/your hunt can be in big trouble with Fish and Game if he even implies you'd better not be there.

Lastly, no, we don't fence our game.........and we're proud of it. But, I'd be the first one to say, "damn right, Africa's a hell of a deal, plus Alaska is cold and miserable.......or maybe you could hunt all of that public land in Texas, eh?

And my opinion on whitetails doesn't change; for wild whitetail deer, Canada offers the best chance for the traveling hunter.

Joe

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DarylS
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Re: Canada or US for white-tailed deer? [Re: ovis]
      #64729 - 27/10/06 05:27 AM

Same here Ovis - all public (crown) lands are open to the public. The guides have their guiding territories that are only closed to other guides.
: Only private lands require the owner's permission to hunt.
: It's a nice feeling to get on a high peak and as far as you can see in all directions, it's crown land, totally opn for hunting. Such is the case just a few miles west and south of here where I hunt mostly. Further south, ther is more settled land. We'll see what the land claims settlements to that, for sure.
: Another observation is there are more slob residents than slob guides and their hunters.
: With only a couple game wardens per 1,000 square miles, there is much poaching, of course. The governement here puts all licence fees into generaly revenue, but charges a habitat fee on eahc licence, which also goes into general revenue. Each year they promise to start putting the mony back into the resourse, & each year, they lie. Such is socialism. Funds that should go back into the resourse, end up funding their own holidays and friend's projects. ihmo, of course.

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