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Husqvarna
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Advice please, regarding an offer I got
      #61047 - 11/08/06 07:00 PM

Hi guys!

i have recieved an offer to buy a pre WWII Christopher Funk, made in Suhl DSD in 9,3x74.

The gun has been rebarelled abroud, I live in Sweden the new wt of barrels are 55 cm ie 22 inches, the rest of the gun is original and in what apears as good condition. The seller will stand behind the deal and the asking price is 2 5000 kr ie 3 500 USD, maybe there is some room for dealing with acessories or other things.

Can you guys give me some input?






Best regards Chris


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Re: Advice please, regarding an offer I got [Re: Husqvarna]
      #61051 - 11/08/06 08:50 PM

You can't go wrong if this rifle shoots well. Do you know who did the re-barrel job? How is the condition otherwise?

US$3,500 is way down into utility value for a good working double rifle. This one looks like it has much more appeal than that.

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Re: Advice please, regarding an offer I got [Re: CptCurl]
      #61054 - 11/08/06 09:24 PM

Hi Cpt Curl!

Well yes, I would belive that a test shoot would be in order.

I have no idea where the new set of barrels where made but they look decent don`t they?

The overall condition seens to be ok, look at the pic and the casecoloring.

However I am a bit weary as to why there was a need for a new barrelset.

Does any one know of the brand, I belive that itīs a quality gun isnīt?

Best regards Chris.


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Re: Advice please, regarding an offer I got [Re: Husqvarna]
      #61055 - 11/08/06 09:42 PM

Check this out;

http://champlinarms.com/Default.aspx?tabid=30&mid=345&ctl=GunsDetails&StyleID=3&GunID=89

If she will shoot, the seller will stand behind it, its in good condition and the bores are good I would buy it. Seems like a very good deal in a great caliber.

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Re: Advice please, regarding an offer I got [Re: Husqvarna]
      #61065 - 12/08/06 02:39 AM

In reply to:

However I am a bit weary as to why there was a need for a new barrelset.




The C. Funk firearms are quality, and the reason may be that it was a shotgun, and the owner wanted a rifle, or the origenal barrles were bent in some way, and had to be replaced! Either way, If it shoots I'd buy in a heartbeat, for $3500 US!

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Re: Advice please, regarding an offer I got [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #61070 - 12/08/06 07:05 AM


Dugaboy

I had that suspision that it was a Shotgun as well
but since I know nothing about funk guns, I didn't say anything.

Looking at the width of the barrels at the breech, it does look very thick for a 9.3 x 74R.

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Re: Advice please, regarding an offer I got [Re: 500Nitro]
      #61166 - 15/08/06 01:37 AM

Funk is a well respected name from Suhl, if the gun shot ok its a good price, also with a new barrel.

Husqvarna, when I see your name, have a Mod. 17A cape gun in 20/65 and 28/40 full rifled, do you know any possibility to find the year when its was made with the number.
What I know is that only 50 cape guns ever made in 28, 24 and 20 full rifled but see last year 2 other in france. One was a Lefaucheux action like mine and the other was a top lever. Thats 3 from 50 so I believe husqvarna make some more.



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Re: Advice please, regarding an offer I got [Re: pwm]
      #61206 - 15/08/06 11:49 PM

Hi guys and PWM!

First of I would like to add som info, the gun started out as a C funk 16 gauge shotgun and then at the hands of Jean-Luis Rouanet, gun builder in Sant-Etienne, france it became a 9,3x74, the gun is signed JLR under the barrels.
According to the seller, whom commissioned the gun by the way it has been prootested in france att the French institute of firearms, there are poof of test.

The seller explains his selling the gun with insufficinent use or need. He will stand behind the rifle, according to his word.

the gun weighs 3,2 kg barrels are 55 cm and the stock and casecoluring is orginal.

PWM, I personaly own a model 17C with a 16 gauge shotgun barrel and 9,3x57R/360 rifled barrel, I have sent a query to a very knowledgable man I know about your 17A, hopefully I can reply to you within a few days best regards Chris.


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Re: Advice please, regarding an offer I got [Re: pwm]
      #61209 - 16/08/06 01:30 AM

In reply to:

Husqvarna, when I see your name, have a Mod. 17A cape gun in 20/65 and 28/40 full rifled, do you know any possibility to find the year when its was made with the number.
What I know is that only 50 cape guns ever made in 28, 24 and 20 full rifled but see last year 2 other in france. One was a Lefaucheux action like mine and the other was a top lever. Thats 3 from 50 so I believe husqvarna make some more.





PWM , I don't understand what you are calling a "CAPE GUN". It seems to me what you are calling a cape gun is a rifled shotgun, is that right? Can you discribe what is meant by " 20/65", and "28/40"?

A true cape gun is what is known in Germany as a BUSHFLINTEN or side by side combination gun, with a rifle on the right barrel, and a shotgun on the left barrel. The name "cape gun" came from thier use by settlers in Southern Africa, where one gun could be used for what every happened along, with only haveing to carry two kinds of ammo.

I collect these Cape Guns, and have two from Germany! One is a H. Berella, which is 16ga/8X57JR, and the other is a V. Haffner, 20ga/58 Berdan carbine, both hammer guns, and both very well made, as most German guns are!

Thank you in advance for your explanations!

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Re: Advice please, regarding an offer I got [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #61225 - 16/08/06 03:51 AM

Dugaboy, a side by side combination gun with a rifled and a smooth barrel is a Buechsflinte when it have the rifled barrel on the rigth side. This is most times of german/austrian origin, also belgium. Husqvarna in sweden makes it also regulary in 9,3x57R360 (360BPE 2,25"), 12,7x44R sweden and also for a rare group of cartridges you have a hard time to find any info's about, but more later.
Americans call all combinations guns with a riflled and smooth barrel "cape gun" because they dont know it better. I am do this also because you dont have to explain any times what for fine differents are.
Let me tell you: most of this guns are in fact no cape guns, this is a british term to describe a combination gun with the rifled barrel on the left side and the smooth on the rigth. You understand what I mean, we on the continent drive with the car on the rigth side, the british do it on the left. Dont know realy why but the british when thinking technical problems turn all things on the other side then we do.
I believe only cheaper cape guns are made in belgium for export to britain or the colonies but on the continent it was allways a Buechsflinte. I dont think that many cape guns was used on the british islands, the most go to the cape as farmer guns, not to forget the paradox gun was a strong rival for such a combination gun.
We have here the privileg to use the metric system and also understand imperial measurments
Shotgun cartridges have the gauge number and the shell lengt in mm: 12/76 = 3 " shell
16/70 = 2 3/4 "
20/65 = 2 1/2"

I wonder that you dont know this in the states, Winchester ammo boxes here have allways booth measurment printed.

A rare class of cartridges are the in old german ammo catalog's so called Lancester Bullet Cartridges, lancester was a synonym for center fire shotgun cartridges. Same bullets and lefaucheux cases are use for pinfiire guns, tinker here have a double rifle for such a cartridge. You find 33, 40 and 50mm long cases but 40mm was the rule. Its not a paradox, much older, and allways for full rifled barrels. The bullet is the Cats head bullet, you find it in the rws bullet catalog for brass and paper caseswith different diameter but the stop ring is the same. notice: see never 40mm paper shells, only the rws brass, thing anyone like to have paper make it with a knife from 65mm long shells.
I think that this are the oldest breechloading hunting cartridges on the continent, maybe also in britain, its the first generation before the 45/11mm comes around 1870.
Where and when do it starts? maybe in france around 1855 with lefaucheux guns and than quickly adapted for the center fire shotgun cartridge.
Have a book: Adolf Zimmer "die Jagdfeuergewehre"( the hunting guns) from 1877 and he only knows this kind of hunting cartridges for rifles than.
I have neve seen a loaded cartridge in a ammo catalog, only brass and bullet so we have to see here the missing link from muzzle loaders to breech loader with ammo out of the box. its was only a handloading story.

the husqvarna 17A was made in 20/65 - 28/40 LK ( LK means Lancaster Kugel =bullet in old german ammo catalogs)

20/65 - 24/40

16/65 - 20/40

with my gun ,rifled and smooth barrel have the same dia. on the muzzel, unusual for a cape gun

I am very in doubt about your Hafner in 58 Berdan, this cartridge is very similar to the 24/40LK and when the gun wasnt made for export into the USA it is indeed. I dont know them all, of course but there was never a german gun for 58 berdan. Give the measurments of a chamber cast and slug the barrel.
Magtech brass works very well in such guns but they are blackpowder only. I cut the magtech brass on the lathe and aneal it, have a homemade resizing die because the chamber is a little bit tappered.
100 grains ffg behind a 480 grain Minie bullein the little 28/40, load with a 577 snider NDFS die. A 585 Lee Minie mould was at home when I got the gun, made a hammer slug die because barrel shows .600 dia.
I thing the magtech brass stand the blackpowder pressure very well, havnt a splitted case till now and its not realy nessesary the resize after such a powerful load.

hope to give you some news about this, needed years to find informations

sincerely yours

Husqvarna, i visited a hunting guns collector in june, he had have Husqvarna whaling gun. have you ever seen this, very strong 12 ga smooth barrel bolt action with fore and rear sigth shoting the harpoon with blank.
I believe it was made only for small whale and seals in norway, knowing the old greener whaling gun and the Foyn canon.


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Re: Advice please, regarding an offer I got [Re: pwm]
      #61268 - 16/08/06 07:18 PM

Ok guys!


There is some q:s about terms here dom let that get in your way,

The Husqvarna model 17C that I have is a true cape gun in that the rifle barrel is rifled.

however the Husqvarnas of their haydays where made to buyers specs, there are straigth rifled barrels for the 24 gauge, it shot a lead slug and in some cases a lead slug with a copper core to penetrate better.

These guns should be considered herilooms and should be preserved to the afterworld.

PWN if you feel thats itīs ok, then IM mee the guns numbers and I will get a manufacturing date asap.

OK back to the issue at hand, should I buy the DSD that I have been offered?

I am torned between this gun and guns that might come upp for auction later this fall.

By the whey here are some links to swedish sites..

http://www.pettsons.net/lefacheux.html

www.robsoft.nu

http://widforss.chiaro.mrfriday.com/?p=vapenauktion&auktion=30

the last link is to an auction site, you can probaly not read the text but one can always peek at the guns.

Best regards Chris.





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Re: Advice please, regarding an offer I got [Re: Husqvarna]
      #61280 - 17/08/06 05:14 AM

this was the whaling gun I see:

http://widforss.chiaro.mrfriday.com/auktioner/bilder/30/V06_389.jpg

its bigger and stronger than it seems, rigth gun for a 12 ga super magnum slug

the number on my combo gun isnt a secret, its:14188

would be fine to know when it was make , thank you for the work you have

fourtunately is german and swedish close enough that I understand most on this site


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