Bakes
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Loc: QLD
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Fair enough. Good answer. I agree there is no guarantee, I suppose thats appeal, to me at least.
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iqbal
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Loc: Karachi,Pakistan
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I would like to narrate an incident relating to "guide ethics".Last year a friend of mine went to SA alongwith his son to shoot a leopard.The hunt was booked in advance specifically for leopard and also a few plainsgame animals,but the primary focus of my friends was to bag a leopard.The PH (i would not like disclose his name)made the clients sit for 5 days on a bait,but no leopard appeared.In between he made them shoot plainsgame which they did and ultimately came home without the leopard.They however came to know that the PH did not have a permit or license for a leopard and tricked them into shooting plainsgame.This was disclosed to them by an employee of the PH under the influence of alcohol.They have taken up the matter with PHASA and are awaiting the outcome,but are not sure whether anything will come out of it.
Hows this for guide ethics.
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470Nitro
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Loc: Madrid - Spain
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I think most of you had heared stories about Frozen leopards in RSA or cougars in Argentina. I don't know all of them, but I know some are true 
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down by the river on a friday night
pyramid of cans in the pale moonlight
talkin' 'bout guns and dreamin 'bout women
never had a plan just a livin' for the minute
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mikeh416Rigby
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Loc: The beautiful Oley Valley, PA....
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If this is indeed true, the P.H. should have his license pulled immediately, and be tried in court for fraud. I'm of the opinion that most P.H.s are a good lot, but the bad apples need to get weeded out.
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mickey
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Posts: 4647
Loc: Pend Oreille Valley, Idaho
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Igbal
I suggest your friend turn this over to the SCI Ethics Committee. PHASA is well aware of this type of thing and has done nothing in the past. They refuse to act on their members and instead want SCI to do it for them.
A couple of years ago an outfitter was paying a Game Conservation Officer under the table for retroactive Leopard Permits. The Game Con fellow got replaced and PHASA refused to act on the PH even though 6-8 clients paid for but could not export their Leopards.
The PH claimed that because he had always done it this way he should not be punished when someone complained.
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Lovu Zdar
Mick
A Man of Pleasure, Enterprise, Wit and Spirit Rare Books, Big Game Hunting, English Rifles, Fishing, Explosives, Chauvinism, Insensitivity, Public Drunkenness and Sloth, Champion of Lost and Unpopular Causes.
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shakari
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Reged: 09/02/03
Posts: 1107
Loc: South Africa
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Unfortunately RSA has the worst record by far for leopard hunting cons and probably one of the lowest success rates for genuine leopard hunts. RSA farmers have spent the last 100+ years killing leopards by any means they can. That has resulted in very clever leopards.
There are so many charlatans, tricksters & con men in the leopard business in RSA it's not worth even considering. For anyone looking for a fair and honest leopard hunt they should look to Namibia, Tanzania, Zimbabwe or pretty much anywhere else except RSA.
RSA is great for plains game and Rhino darting, but for Dangerous Game I would reccommend any hunter to look elsewhere.
Iqbal, I'm a member of PHASA myself..... so perhaps this is the wrong medium to air my views.... but here it is anyway! To be frank I have very little time for PHASA anymore. They seem to have been taken over by outfitters and now (IMHO) treat the PH members as second class citizens..... It's more like the outfitters association than the Professional Hunter's Association. This to me creates a major conflict of interests. Your friend will probably achieve a great deal more if he complains to the relevant Game Conservancy direct as they are the guys who issue the Professional Hunter and Outfitter with their licences.....and in most provinces it's actually illegal for a PH to hunt a leopard (whether he shoots one or not) without a licence and also illegal for an outfitter to offer a leopard hunt for sale before he has a leopard licence!
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Steve "Shakari" Robinson
Kuduland Safaris (Africa) Ltd
info@kuduland.com
www.kuduland.com
Edited by shakari (03/01/04 05:42 PM)
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