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Grizzly
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Big Bore Rests
      #59819 - 11/07/06 08:24 AM

OK Guys,

While I can shoot a 416 Rigby off the bench at least half a day, the Nitros are a different story. The bench concentrates all of the recoil right into your shoulder. And the "push" we all get freehand becomes a whack.

I've been doing a lot of research on this (I was a middle linebacker in college, and while indestructible then, age 50 has arrived) and I have 3 candidates for the bench with a boomer.

Number one. The Lead Sled. A ton of people like this. It works by placing a lot of weight in the bottom pan, which reduces recoil. Some people have had a problem with it in terms of stocks splittng. Others have had no problem. My thought - the concept will reduce recoil by the rest remaining stationary, but something has to give. If te rest does not move, all of the energy is absorbed by the rifle. Under $150 US dollars.

Number two. The Lahti rifle Evaluator. Looks good. The military uses it as well as US federal law enforcement. It has a piston or shock absorber that takes the recoil. The rifle does not absorb the shock, the platform does. This looks like the real deal, but I am looking for opinions. The standard shocks handle up to a 577 NE. The mag shocks will handle anything Nitro, even the 700. You can get this $199 American.

Number 3. The National Match Rifle Rest. The rest and not the rifle absorbs the recoil. The damn thing looks great, but at $440 American with another $25 for an essential part, you have to wonder.

Anyone have any experience with these rests? I am not inclined toward #1, something that puts all of the stress on your rifle.

Opinions, please.

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500Nitro
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Re: Big Bore Rests [Re: Grizzly]
      #59820 - 11/07/06 08:28 AM

Grizzly,

I would forget all of those and make up and learn to
use a standing rest which does almost a good a job
(in terms of steadiness)
and allows you to recoil back correctly.

A standing rest needs somewhere for you to support you
left forearm (which is holding the barrel) and I would also
suggest for stability to have something for your stomach to push
against and also something for your LEFT thigh to rest against.

And have a look at a Limbsaver pad put on the gun or get
one of the new Limbsaver Should Pads.
They reduce felt recoil alot on the big bores.

500 Nitro

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Re: Big Bore Rests [Re: 500Nitro]
      #59824 - 11/07/06 10:15 AM

Way ahead of you. I use two standing rests - bipod and tripod.

I am looking for a bench rest, primarily for load development.

A rest that takes all the blame out of the shooter. And preferably one that does not tear the rifle apart.

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500grains
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Re: Big Bore Rests [Re: Grizzly]
      #59831 - 11/07/06 02:43 PM

I tried the national match rest. It worked ok, but I shoot more accurately without it, even with big bores. So I gave it away about 2 months ago. If I had known you wanted one, I would have given it to you.

Frankly speaking, you don't need to do much work to develop a load for an elephant gun assuming that you are starting with published data. Just about any load will shoot more accurately than you can hold offhand.

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Re: Big Bore Rests [Re: Grizzly]
      #59833 - 11/07/06 03:27 PM


Grizzly,

A slight misunderstanding - by a standing rest I mean more like
a bench set up that allows you to shoot your load development
standing up and leaning into the bench for stability.

I have found it as stable as using a normal bench and hand rest
but without the extra recoil

I use them to do my load development and it gives me just as
accurate results.

500 Nitro

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Re: Big Bore Rests [Re: 500Nitro]
      #59843 - 12/07/06 12:24 AM

I'll second 500 Nitro's recomendation.

A gunsmith who is helping me reload has a standing bench rest. I am actually steadier leaning into it than when using a std bench rest when I need to hold the barrel/s as in with my DR and can't use a rear bag. Felt recoil is a fraction of what it is off a sitting bench, not really different than standing off hand.

I've been using it to develop loads on the gunsmith's premises. Load four, go shoot four, come back and add, subtract powder, start with a different bullet or powder...This leads to a heck of alot of shooting in a day and I couldn't do it with a sitting bench.

JPK



Edited by JPK (12/07/06 12:26 AM)

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Re: Big Bore Rests [Re: JPK]
      #59855 - 12/07/06 11:23 AM

Here is the standing rest group:

http://www.lonestarfieldproducts.com/vrs507.html



http://www.championshooters.com/OffhandStands.htm



http://www.centermassinc.com/638284.html



http://www.targetshooting.com/model_2500.html




I need something off the bench.

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Re: Big Bore Rests [Re: Grizzly]
      #59871 - 12/07/06 01:20 PM

Grizzly,

Only the last one even comes close, if it adjust upward enough.

The one my reloading teacher/gunsmith has is a regular bench top but with adjustable legs that raise the top to a standing height. It must weigh a ton since it moves very little or not at all.

With a full size top I put my heavy front bag on top and I'm set. I'm a lefty so reverse to see how it should be. My right hand rest on the heavy bag, holding the barrels, my gut leans into the top which has a penisula so it suits either a righty or lefty, my left elbow rest on the top, with a small bag under it for elevation and abrasion issues. There is no movement of my body, arms, hand or the rifle when I am set. It would be even better if, as advised by 500 Nitro I could have some support with my right leg, but leaning into the bench top is enough.

I will try to remember to get a photo on my next reload session, which is Thurs.

JPK

BTW, you could make this standing bench for not a whole bunch since it is the top supported by steel pipes which fit inside one another for elevation adjustment. But you would have to have a place to use it.

Edited by JPK (12/07/06 01:24 PM)

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500Nitro
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Re: Big Bore Rests [Re: JPK]
      #59874 - 12/07/06 01:33 PM


I agree, the last one is the only one worth looking at.

You need to have something to "lean into", lean against
at the same time as being heavy enough not to move, provide a good
and steady enough rest.

IF you are the only one who has access to where you shoot, you may
want to build one out of wood. It doesn't take long.

Anyway, hope this helps

500 Nitro

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