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DPhillips
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Engraving ideas for a singleshot project
      #58743 - 13/06/06 04:38 PM

Looking for some engraving ideas for a singleshot project. The action will be color case-hardened. Can't afford the Bulino type engraving and not really interested in full coverage scroll work.

Am thinking of a nice border with scroll work along the borders, more detailed in the corners with a ribbon, oval or circle in the center with the gunmaker's name.

Any thoughts or other ideas. Am interested in everyone's opinion.

Thanks

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Re: Engraving ideas for a singleshot project [Re: DPhillips]
      #58755 - 13/06/06 09:39 PM

I think some classic rose and scroll would look great.

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Re: Engraving ideas for a singleshot project [Re: DPhillips]
      #58800 - 14/06/06 12:39 PM

DP,

Will this be on a Hagn? That sounds like a great project. A 9.3X74R M-H would be an awesome hunting rifle.

I like the very simple border treatment that SDH has on his sidelever No.1, and plan to use it as a guide for my own No.1, when I finally find time away from work to finish it. If you have his excellent book, there are loads of engraving ideas in it. For me, the engraving on his sidelever are simple elegance, at it's finest. I'm going to have Jim White do mine. His work is fantastic, and he's local ( Wasilla ).

Jeff

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Re: Engraving ideas for a singleshot project [Re: akjeff]
      #58809 - 14/06/06 02:17 PM

SDH?

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Re: Engraving ideas for a singleshot project [Re: akjeff]
      #58813 - 14/06/06 02:51 PM

This will be the Hagn. Finally! I am going to have them build it, lock, stock and barrel...

Small action, swamped octagonal barrel with integral quarter rib and front sight ramp. I'll try to meet with them at the ACGG show to size up for the timber.

I really thought I had the cartridge pinned down, but am coming across so many conflicting reports of velocity and load data for it, I may abandon the 7x75 Vom Hofe SE for something else. Load and ballistic data is all over the place from the few sources I can find. Not consistent even on case capacity. Even still, with the x75R case being almost 3" long, to get the performance from it, it does require a long barrel. The anchor of this entire project is using the small action. Balance and handling qualities are much more important to me than any given cartridge. So, if one cartridge requires an unbalanced rifle or degrades handling qualities of the rifle, I will have to choose something else. I would like to stay in the 7mm to 30 caliber range though.

The engraving is something that has been an afterthought in nearly a decade of planning. I do believe the rifle deserves it, though. I do have SDH's book and have referenced it many times over this process. I do not know Jim White, do you have some contact info you could PM me?

Any additional thoughts or suggestions would be very much appreciated.

Thanks

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Re: Engraving ideas for a singleshot project [Re: DoubleD]
      #58822 - 14/06/06 04:25 PM

DoubleD,

SDH is the handle of Steven Dodd Hughes. He is a custom rifle/shotgun smith and also a contributor here and on AR. He has authored two books out relating to fine long guns. The first is "Fine Gunmaking, Double Shotguns" and the second is titled "Custom Rifles in Black and White" They are both excellent books and I would highly recommend them to any fine gun enthusiast. SDH also writes articles for various magazines having to do with long guns. He recently had a couple of very good articles in Sports Afield about Custom Rifles.

A search for his handle here and on AR should bring up his posts/profile.

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Re: Engraving ideas for a singleshot project [Re: DPhillips]
      #58936 - 17/06/06 12:51 PM

DP,

The 7X65R may be a good option for the small frame. .280 Rem'ish ballistics. Any way you go, a Hagn is gonna be sweet! Sounds like a great project.

I'm up North at present, but when I get home, I'll get you Jim's contact info. He does beautiful work.

Regards,

Jeff

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Re: Engraving ideas for a singleshot project [Re: DPhillips]
      #59496 - 01/07/06 08:53 AM

Here are some ideas...




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Re: Engraving ideas for a singleshot project [Re: new_guy]
      #59501 - 01/07/06 03:06 PM

new guy,
Very nice...

Thanks everyone for posting. I hope this post doesn't end the thread, but wanted to let everyone know I really appreciate their help.

If you have any additional thoughts or come across any nice engraving patterns that would work on a Hagn, please post again.

Thanks

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Re: Engraving ideas for a singleshot project [Re: DPhillips]
      #59518 - 02/07/06 10:21 AM

Ken Hurst is an old single shot afficiando and marvelous engraver. He Is is accustomed to the special needs that a large blank side area brings with it. You might want to contact him. His work may be viewed by yahooing or googleing his name under pictures. He is also easy to work with, a pro of some forty years with extensive factory backgrounds and meticulous. PM me if you;d like to contact him. Dr. Dozier sends. Kindest regards I want to see the Hagn as I am considering the same altho Mr. Hurst is attempting to talk me into a Wesson.

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Re: Engraving ideas for a singleshot project [Re: johndozier]
      #59524 - 02/07/06 12:55 PM

Thanks for the info on Ken Hurst.

As for showing the Hagn, it'll be a long wait. They are very busy and this rifle will take time to complete once they get started.

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Re: Engraving ideas for a singleshot project [Re: DPhillips]
      #59576 - 04/07/06 10:59 AM

Dave, did Ralf (the German) give you any idea on a delivery date on your rifle? I am guessing my deposit got there on about the same day as yours. Do you think it would be safe to schedule a short African trip in July of 2007 and expect the Martini and Hagn to go along?

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Re: Engraving ideas for a singleshot project [Re: Sharps]
      #59581 - 04/07/06 03:27 PM

I'd say a one year delivery time is ambitious at best. They didn't give me a time frame, but Hagn did say it would be a while. I told him it didn't matter to me, if they needed a couple of years. He said, "Ya, dats gudt".

I'm going to talk with them again, as soon as they confirm my deposit. I think Hagn is in Namibia right now trying out his new 450-400! I'll let them know that we've talked and to put yours in front of mine, no matter when the deposits received. I'd be real skeptical if they can push one out the door in a year though... Sounds like they have a bunch ahead of us.

Think I'm going to add an extended tang to mine just to make it stronger for baggage handling gorillas that work for the airlines these days. I've seen pictures of a few broken stocked rifles that occured while traveling. All seemed to be broken at the wrist, probably from a real hard vertical drop. I think an extended tang would help to reinforce that area and make the wrist not so susceptible to breakage from that kind of thing.

I would like to have this one ready when I book the MP sheep hunt, but it won't hurt my feelings if it isn't ready then. I just want this rifle to be RIGHT, perfectly so. I've spent too many years trying to figure this one out and want them to take whatever time they need to make it a svelte, graceful, beautiful mountain stalking sheep hunting rifle. Is that too much to ask?

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Re: Engraving ideas for a singleshot project [Re: DPhillips]
      #59583 - 05/07/06 12:03 AM

Dave, there is a guy up here close to me that just received a Hagn. He's pretty old so apparently they pushed pretty hard to get his out. It was ordered this January.

Anyway, I spent some time looking at his and visiting about traveling with a rifle and he has a unique way of doing it with a single shot. He removes the butt stock and puts the rifle in a take-down shotgun case inside of a duffle bag and then he stuffs clothes around the take down case.

The way he does the take down is to replace the Ruger type draw bolt that Hagn uses with a Perazzi which has a 5mm hex head. He has a long shanked screw driver with the 5mm on the end and the butt pad has a slit that is over the draw bolt hole. Slip the 5mm through the slit and dismount the butt stock without removing the pad. This guy also has a dowel with a hole in it inserted into the drawbolt hole to retain the 5mm hex and its washer and to guide the 5mm screw driver. Ralf built an aluminum one for this guys Hagn. This is simpler to draw than to explain but it is a real neat set-up.

His point was that even though the duffle is marked with the firearm tag from the airline it is much less eye catching than a normal rifle case and you've got your clothes to help cusion the rifle. With the butt dismounted damage is less likely because just like you said the grip seems to be the most fragile area.

I'm going to calll Ralf when I get my confirmation as well. My Hagn is going to have some modest engraving done by a local guy that Rlaf uses for basic work. Just enough to dress it appropriately. The rest of the rifle is going to be a straight forward working rifle. No ebony tip and well figured but strong Turkish walnut. I guess sort of a best quailty working rifle.

I am really looking forward to it.

Josh

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Re: Engraving ideas for a singleshot project [Re: Sharps]
      #59590 - 05/07/06 03:59 AM

That's an interesting idea about the takedown case and the dowel. Certainly had not thought of that.

He had a really quick turnaround on his rifle. Maybe they can build one for you and get it out the door in 6-8 months, but wasn't the impression I got from them at the ACGG show in 2004 or from talking to them on the phone. Of course, I was the one that told them I didn't have a problem in waiting for it. I would like to get mine as soon as possible, but am not in a big hurry for it. I'm fully prepared for a 24-36 month turnaround for the swamped barrel, sights, and engraving options. I figure that will add quite a bit of time. I just want it to be "right" regardless of the time taken. Figure I've waited about a decade to even place the order, another year or two or three isn't much in the scheme of things. I would like to take on the MP sheep hunt, when it is booked, but have a rifle that is perfectly capable for that now. God willing and things pan out, this rifle will do some traveling in the years to come.

Are you going to have Hagn do the flat checkering on yours? I couldn't believe how nice that is compared to the regular pointed diamond checkering. I guess it does take a little more time to do, but I think is worth it.

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Re: Engraving ideas for a singleshot project [Re: DPhillips]
      #59597 - 05/07/06 06:34 AM

Dave, I am having the flat top checkering. I wasn't sure about it until I saw this rifle up here. As a matter of fact the one I handled is the 7x57 that is on their website.

My bet is that the detail in the barrel you have ordered is going to take some time. Mine is a simple #4 with no sights. I was afraid to put too much money in a barrel since I wear them out so fast. After talking to Ralf I might be wrong assuming that 3000-4000 rounds will shoot it out. He said that the hammer forged barrels they use will retain their accuracy for 10,000 rounds. That would take even me a lot of years to wear out.

I was hoping for 10 to 12 months on delivery. I desperately want to go to Africa next year with the Hagn so 12 months would let me take a late season trip. If not I'll just go elk hunting like normal in October and go to Africa in 2008. The last thing I want to do is try to rush those guys.

Marco Polo sheep would be a heck of a nice hunting trip. Pretty much out of my price range though, but I should be able to swing Africa every third year or so.

Take care,
Josh

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Re: Engraving ideas for a singleshot project [Re: Sharps]
      #59599 - 05/07/06 07:26 AM

Your rifle might not take so much time. Don't listen to me! When you call Ralf, I'm sure he'll have a decent estimate for you.

Like I said, please don't listen to me!

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