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Crocodile hunting back on the agenda - Yippee!
      #58615 - 11/06/06 04:49 AM

Last Update: Friday, June 9, 2006. 11:14am (AEST)
Croc safari considered for Australian hunters

A group of Top End commercial hunters are planning to ask the Northern Territory Environment Minister to amend legislation to allow crocodile safari hunts for Australian residents.

A spokeswoman for Minister Marion Scrymgour says the Minister would not rule out the idea out at this stage.

A similar plan for international visitors was scrapped by the federal minister last year because the crocodile skins could not be exported.

The president of the Northern Territory Professional Hunters Association, Kevin Gleeson, says crocodile safaris would just be another animal management issue for the Government.

"It's no different to me than killing a buffalo... look at our barramundi, it just needs to be managed properly over the years," he said.

"It's a management bill, that's all it is to the Territory. It could add a lot of dollars to the Territory."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200606/s1659250.htm

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      #58616 - 11/06/06 04:51 AM

NT Govt asked to allow croc hunting

AM - Saturday, 10 June , 2006 08:17:30
Reporter: Sarah Hawke

ELIZABETH JACKSON: A new plan for crocodile safari hunting in the Northern Territory has re-emerged, eight months after the idea was initially quashed by the Federal Government.

Professional hunters are calling on the Northern Territory Government to amend laws that would allow domestic shooters to safari hunt 25 crocodiles every year.

The Federal Environment Minister, Ian Campbell, scrapped a similar plan for international hunters last year.

Commonwealth approval was needed in that case, so that the skins could be exported.

But as Sarah Hawke reports, the latest idea proposed by professional shooters only needs approval from the Northern Territory.

MAN: So that's what your leg will look like after a big crocodile has bitten you.

SARAH HAWKE: It's feeding time for crocodiles housed at one of Darwin's major parks.

CHILD: Oh, yeah, make him go that way.

SARAH HAWKE: Kids and adults are in awe of the size of these ancient reptiles, and the damage they could inflict.

These are the challenges that entice trophy hunters.

The proposal rejected by the Federal Environment Minister would have allowed for 25 out of 600 wild crocodiles culled annually to be used for safari hunting.

The target was international visitors, willing to pay tens of thousands of dollars.

While the plan had widespread backing in the Northern Territory, Ian Campbell rejected it, under a lot of pressure from this man.

STEVE IRWIN: Have a look at this little beauty, will ya? Crikey!

SARAH HAWKE: The Minister admitted crocodile enthusiast Steve Irwin influenced his decision last year, but says supporters were also consulted.

The plan, though, has not died.

The Northern Territory Professional Hunters Association is lobbying the NT Government to adopt it just for domestic shooters, therefore avoiding federal intervention.

President Kevin Glesson told ABC Darwin while the returns may not be as large as from overseas shooters, domestic hunters could pay up to $6,000.

KEVIN GLESSON: Most of our domestic market, our guys from southern states, they, in reality, know that the size of our crocodiles here, and they would love to come up here. They come up here annually to hunt the buffalo, the banteng, the wild boar, and they'd love to add a crocodile to there.

It's going to have a certain cost for them, so they want to take the skin home and probably the skull home and have it sit in pride of place in their house.

SARAH HAWKE: The Northern Territory Government says it will consider all options put forward.

But Chief Scientist with Wildlife Management International in Darwin, Charlie Manolis, argues the Territory should be pushing the original plan.

CHARLIE MANOLIS: In principle I think we should go for what we went for, and that was to get the Federal Government to agree to safari hunting in the management plan.

Because there's actually nothing, absolutely nothing wrong with what the Northern Territory was advocating.

So, on principle alone, we shouldn't really give in.

SARAH HAWKE: But environmentalists remain strongly opposed to any plan.

Nicola Beynon from Humane Society International says there are still serious animal welfare issues.

NICOLA BEYNON: There are crocodiles removed from the wild already for the meat and skin market, and HSI doesn't support that, but that's a different issue.

This is trophy hunting. This is killing crocodiles purely for the hell of it, for the enjoyment of it, and that's something that we, that the Federal Environment Minister wouldn't entertain, and the Northern Territory Government shouldn't entertain that idea either.

Often the tourists aren't skilled marksmen. They might be accompanied by skilled marksmen, but it's the person who shoots the bullet that counts.

ELIZABETH JACKSON: Nicola Beynon from Humane Society International, ending that report from Sarah Hawke.

http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2006/s1660060.htm

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      #58624 - 11/06/06 05:12 AM

Federal Govt urged to reconsider croc hunting ban

The World Today - Friday, 12 May , 2006 12:52:00
Reporter: Lindy Kerin

ELEANOR HALL: In the Northern Territory an Indigenous Land Management group has called on the Federal Government to reconsider its decision not to allow crocodile safari hunting in the Top End.

The Government has knocked back the safari proposal saying it's inhumane.

But some Indigenous residents say it's a missed opportunity for their communities.

In Darwin, Lindy Kerin reports

(sound of shotgun)

LINDY KERIN: Crocodile hunting was unrestricted in Northern Australia during the 1940s and 50s.

In 1971, saltwater crocodiles were declared a protected species. Now there's an estimated 75,000 Salties in Northern Territory waters.

Seeing potential economic benefits, the Territory Government developed a proposal to allow 25 crocs a year to be killed on safari hunts. But the Federal Government wouldn't give the go-ahead.

The North Australian Indigenous Land and Sea Management Alliance is the peak Indigenous natural resource organisation for Northern Australia.

The Group's Joe Morrison says the Federal Government's decision is a missed opportunity.

JOE MORRISON: This was being mooted as a good way to move forward, to move the debate about using wildlife as an economic opportunity for communities.

We're not saying that the crocodile safari idea was going to pull people out of poverty, or make people instant millionaires, but we're basically saying it was a good leverage to start looking at diversification on their country, and they the need to match their rhetoric when they're talking about changes to welfare, reforming welfare and also looking at alternative livelihoods. I mean this was a prime opportunity, and the Government basically said no, we like you guys, but we don't want to support this particular activity.

LINDY KERIN: It's believed the Federal Environment Minister Ian Campbell's decision to knock back the idea was swayed by television celebrity Steve Irwin, also known as the crocodile hunter.

Joe Morrison says the Federal Minister should have consulted with Indigenous communities.

JOE MORRISON: I understand that he put a fair effort into persuading the, or at least advising the Minister of his position and Steve's a big advocate, and it's known – it's on his website - that he's not a big supporter of sustainable use of wildlife. And he thinks that a lot of the people who talk about sustainable use of wildlife are basically people who've fallen out of a tree.

But the fact is that Steve is a large media personality in Australia and also in the US, I should add, and his position on this shone through, I think, at the end of the day.

LINDY KERIN: Dr Grahame Webb is an internationally renowned crocodile expert and is Chairman of the specialist group with the World Conservation Union.

He says it was a foolish decision which went against scientific research.

GRAHAME WEBB: You can't spend million of dollars on research and put into practise programs and test them and see as the Northern Territory has done, and they have the best credentials in the world for managing their crocodiles, and for the Federal Minister to try to stop this, on the basis of, as far as I can see, what Steve Irwin, felt about it, it's just unbelievable. It's a laughing stock.

We up here are the people that have to live with crocodiles. Landowners here have to be careful of their dogs, their kids because of crocodiles. They'll eat you, they'll kill and they're dangerous animals and they're doing it.

There's not a big crocodile out here that doesn't have its tail missing, a leg missing, an arm missing – they live a pretty rough life, and then we're carrying on like a bunch of pansies. I'm angry about this because I just think it's stupid.

LINDY KERIN: The Federal Environment Minister Ian Campbell says he has listened to both sides of the argument and his decision is final.

IAN CAMPBELL: Steve is sort of an iconic and famous Australian, so people, you know, know who he is, but he also knows a hell of a lot about crocodiles. And yes, he had an influence on my decision, but Grahame Webb had an equal influence.

ELEANOR HALL: Federal Environment Minister Ian Campbell speaking to Lindy Kerin.

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2006/s1637140.htm

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      #58625 - 11/06/06 05:20 AM

In the hope some of us may get to partake of some wild harvested crocodile in the future, I have added some recipes to the "Food & Beverage" Forum.

Crocodile recipes:
Rustic crocodile skewers on bed of warrigal greens

Crocodile Kebabs with Native Pepperleaf Mustard

Crocodile stir fry

Fresh water crocodile omelette with snow pea sprouts and palm sugar syrup

Tempura crocodile with noodle salad and pineapple chilli jam



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      #58812 - 14/06/06 02:47 PM

Alan, Marrakai and other Aussie members whom hunt in the Top End a fair bit.

If the NT gov't did introduce domestic permits for the hunting of saltwater crocodiles, would you be personally interested?

I know I would, because it would be inevitable eventually it would be opened up to international visitors and no doubt the permit costs would go up.

A big croc skin is a fine thing to hang on the wall. I think the skinning job might not be though. The skulls make great coffee table pieces too.

I wonder what the interest from Aussie hunters would be?

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Re: Crocodile hunting back on the agenda - Yippee! [Re: NitroX]
      #58829 - 14/06/06 10:13 PM

Iff the oppertunity was there I would most definately give it seriuous consideration..
Croc's are not hard to skin,just time consuming.
Al

Ps .just make sure the bloody thing is dead before you go jumping into the water to retrieve it.

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      #58845 - 15/06/06 04:17 AM

Ha ha a funny 'story' I heard was of a fellow jumping in to retrieve a not yet dead crocodile and pulling it into the boat ...... Yes several people did get bitten.

$6000 for a croc hunt is too much for me though at the moment. Perhaps someone might need some PR for the hopefully inevitable change allowing international clients to export them as well.



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      #58850 - 15/06/06 04:31 AM

Article on proposed croc hunting from last year.

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Crocodile safaris environmentally sustainable

Thursday, 28 July 2005

Presenter: Helena Webb

The Northern Territory plan to allow crocodile hunting safaris would be environmentally sustainable, says a wildlife expert.



Crocodile slipping into water


Crocodile snoozing


Crocodile

The Northern Territory government is pressuring its Federal counterpart to allow the taking of 25 large adult males annually from various rivers. A senior reseach fellow at the Charles Darwin University's Key Centre for Tropical Wildlife Research, Dr Corey Bradshaw says that the cull would be easily sustainable.

Crocodiles were declared a protected species in Australia in 1971 when numbers had declined to less than 5,000. "We came very close to losing them," says Dr Bradshaw. Now, he estimates that there are between 80,000 to 100,000 animals. There are two species native to Australia, freshwater and saltwater. Both are doing well, with the salties staging the major recovery.

Twenty five animals killed a year is easily sustainable, says Dr Bradshaw. Hunters could take hundreds with little long term impact. "There isn't really any fresh water or salt water these days in the Territory that you can swim in safely." A few water holes are kept clear and a quick dip in and out of the ocean would be OK says Dr Bradshaw, but you'd be a fool to get into fresh or estuarine water.

Could genetic diversity be at risk with the largest males being targeted as the best trophies? Again, Dr Bradshaw doesn't believe that taking 25 crocs would cause miniaturisation of the species. Larger animals do carry the healthiest and most variable genetic code, he says but the animals would have to be heavily exploited before an impact was felt.

Interestingly, one possibility of taking out the larger animals might be an increase in populations because the large males themselves cull smaller animals.

Some rivers have better habitat for crocodiles and crocodile nesting, says Dr Bradshaw. The Mary River for instance now supports 8 to 12 crocs per linear kilometre. That compares with two in the Adelaide River nearer to Darwin. Over a 400 to 500k river, that's a lot of crocs, he says.

Under present laws, crocodiles can only be killed for control purposes and problem animals are usually taken to a crocodile farm. Every year, someone is attacked in the Territory but only large, three to four metre animals are capable of killing someone, says Dr Bradshaw.

Generally, he's in favour of sustainable exploitation of wild animals. Once crocodile farming was allowed, that clinched the comeback." The demand for wild crocodiles was reduced because the market was flooded with legal farm crop skins," Dr Bradshaw says.

"I'm in favour of exploitation if it's controlled well and done so that the demand for wild product is reduced and it ceases to be economically viable."

Crocodile images are courtesy of Dr Bradshaw and Dr Iain Field.


http://www.abc.net.au/wa/stories/s1424945.htm

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