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bigdog
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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: The_Professor]
#60228 - 23/07/06 05:49 AM

Don't feel bad, I have 2 460 weatherby rifles with breaks. I can easily take the one break off of the dangerous game rifle and shoot it. I know most guys on this forum don't care for weatherby's, but I like shooting mine.

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: bigdog]
#60230 - 23/07/06 06:41 AM

When I was14 years young, 180 pnds and quite gullible I once shot an old Spanish ?10 gauge(heavy and a larger bore than a 12 ga) SxS double hammer gun with a bent barrel.No doubt I shot it with the wrong technique but the experience was quite memorable.

It hurt like crazy and bruised both my shoulder and my cheek badly.After that, I don't think I shot anything bigger than a 22 rifle for a year!!

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: The_Professor]
#76891 - 18/04/07 11:39 PM

A Win. .356 94 Big Bore that I used to have-250 grainers really got my attention!!! I thought it felt harder than my .458's by a fair margin.
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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: BigMike]
#76958 - 19/04/07 08:51 AM

My 10.5lb Ruger #1 in 600JDJ with a Beartooth 1040grn @ 1900+ fps

Edited by 600JDJ (19/04/07 08:53 AM)

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: 600JDJ]
#76971 - 19/04/07 11:52 AM

Makes my head ache and teeth hurt just thinking about shooting it!!

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: hoppdoc]
#76985 - 19/04/07 01:57 PM

Comes out to about 193 ft.lbs of recoil. That is pretty stiff and will definatly make you notice!

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: 600JDJ]
#76986 - 19/04/07 02:00 PM

600JDJ;
What case if the 600JDJ built on? I have always
thought the 577-3"NE was as big as you could cram into
a No. 1.
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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: Raff]
#77009 - 19/04/07 09:42 PM

It is based from a 577 Nitro blown out to 620 caliber. These are Bell brass cases w/ a Woodleigh 900 gr SP loaded to 1950 fps.

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: 600JDJ]
#77023 - 20/04/07 12:18 AM

I thought that might be the cartridge, but wasn't sure.
Nice looking rifle and a very interesting recoil pad
arrangement.
My worste thumper is also a No. 1 but in 577-3". The 650 gr.
loads are fun to shoot, but the 750 gr. TRex wannabe loads
are just plain painfull.
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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: 600JDJ]
#77027 - 20/04/07 01:01 AM

Great photo of the 600JDJ. Can I borrow it for my next groundhog hunt. They charge when they are wounded, you know.

My current 'worst' recoiling is a new CZ Safari in 505 Gibbs w/brake but still a handful. My all time worst was a lightweight Weatherby DGR in 378 WM. The WMs and Dakotas get their performance with steep 'power curves' and have an aburpt and sharp recoil. By contrast, the 505 is more of a push like a still 12ga (or maybe a 10, although it has been years since I tried one.) Stand up, roll with the push, and the 505 is not so bad. The WMs and Dakota big bores are just plain nasty anyway you try them. Dave

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: dnovo]
#77030 - 20/04/07 03:30 AM

No detached retinas for me. The .458 Alaskan on a M70, shooing 560gr. cast at 2,200fps was quite enough. Enough that I bought a .458 2" reamer, shortened the barrel, rethreaded, rechambered to .458 2" and no have a pleasant, hard hitting "North American" Thumper that is difficult to improve upon. This gun merely replaces my old .458 2" that I retired after 15,000 rounds. Best loading with jacketed was 510gr. softs and solids at 2,060fps.
: Indeed, Elmer himself suggested that with my 560gr. flat nosed cast bullets, hardened and driven at 2,000fps, that my old 2" would work well in Africa for all the really Big Game. Of that, I am totally in agreement. A backup of 500gr. steel jacketed solids at 2,060fps would also work.
: Best loading presently, very easy to shoot, are 350gr. and 400gr. Barnes "X" HP's and 450gr. solids at 2,150 fps to 2,300fps. They would also do for most game "over there".
: The 2" case (or newer .450 Marlin on a bolt gun) is very much neglected by the faster is better modern crowd. This is unfortunate as it is the "bestest brush gun" (out to 250/300 yards) that a big game hunter here could use when after big moose, elk and big bear.
: Hoppdoc - I used to revel in how my AYA 10 bore crumpled ducks and geese. I re-worked the chokes and got it shooting 94% right, 96% left. At 40 yards, the mallard silouette had 184 pellet hits with #5's. "Crumpled" is the correct term.
: Dnovo - that 20 bore rifle should work on groundhogs, if you hit them right.

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600JDJ
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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: dnovo]
#77050 - 20/04/07 06:39 AM

Quote:

Great photo of the 600JDJ. Can I borrow it for my next groundhog hunt. They charge when they are wounded, you know.

My current 'worst' recoiling is a new CZ Safari in 505 Gibbs w/brake but still a handful. My all time worst was a lightweight Weatherby DGR in 378 WM. The WMs and Dakotas get their performance with steep 'power curves' and have an aburpt and sharp recoil. By contrast, the 505 is more of a push like a still 12ga (or maybe a 10, although it has been years since I tried one.) Stand up, roll with the push, and the 505 is not so bad. The WMs and Dakota big bores are just plain nasty anyway you try them. Dave

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: DarylS]
#77053 - 20/04/07 06:45 AM

Daryl,

Maybe you can clear up something I ahve been curious about for a long time. But first, I need to establish a commonality of terms. When you say .458 Alaskan 2", are you referring to the .458 Winchester Magnum case shortened to 2"? In my book, that cartridge is a .458X2" American, and the .450 Alaskan is a .348 Winchester opened up to .450 for use in the Model 71 Winchester.

Assuming that it is, what exactly is the purpose of changing the case length on the .458 WM? I have been shooting a .458 WM for 47 years now, and if I wanted to reduce the velocity, I just reduced the powder charge. Same with my .450 Watts, which I have had for 30 + years now. Is there some advantage, other than case capacity, with the 2" case? I know that according to Cartridges of the World, the original .458X2" was built on a 722 action, which is too short to accomodate a full length .458 WM, so that makes sense, but putting on on a Model 70, unless it is the short action post-64 model, seems like an exercise in futility.

In my opinion, the .458 WM case is too small to start with. Most full power loads are compressed, with the result that performance can be erratic. Leaving the case length the same and reducing the charge seem to me the best way to achieve ideal loading density.

Is there something I am totally missing here?

To return to the topic, I think the worst I have ever been beat up by a rifle was when I was sighting in a Remington 760 pump rifle in .30-'06 off the bench for a friend. The stock slapped me in the face every shot. He can sight his own rifles in from now on.

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: Raff]
#77058 - 20/04/07 07:34 AM

600JDJ--

What type of recoil devise do you have on that gun?
How well does it work?
Looks like a Graco recoil reducer I used to have on a shotgun.

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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: hoppdoc]
#77095 - 20/04/07 07:59 PM

Hoppdoc,
It is a hydraulic recoil system call Coil-check I believe. It was installed by JD Jones of SSK when he built the gun. The system compresses appr. 2" in recoil. It is adjustable for the degree of pressure needed. Although you have to be careful as I learned. If you turn it to too much resistance, like I did, you can rupture the cylinder from very heavy recoiling rounds (that brutal recoiling 1040grn @ 1900+ fps). The main purpose isn't so much recoil reduction for the shooter, although it has this affect, it is to help prevent the stock from cracking in the wrist area. Cracked stockes is one reason JD recomends 900 gr loads @ 1850 fps. The action can take more. The shooter may be able to. But very heavy loads I beleive will sooner or later, crack the stock if your not carefull. My current heaviest load I will use now is the 900gr Woodleigh @ 1950 fps. It performes well and is tolerable to shoot for me @ I don't think the stock will crack with this load. That Beartoothe 1040grn @ 1900 was an unbelievable penetrator but I couldn't get good accuracy (5" @ 100 yrds)with it at this speed. When slowed to around 1600fps it shot much more accurate. I now cast my own 800gr 90% meplat flat nose below at 1500 fps as a great plinker and hunter. It is very accurate and shoots to the same POI as the 900gr Woodleighs @ 1950fps.
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Re: WHATS YOUR WORST BIG BORE THUMPER?? [Re: The_Professor]
#77656 - 30/04/07 04:07 AM

K-80 is right on line. I HAD a Ruger #3 in 45/70. Sold it after the first trip to the range. I hope the new owner loves it, I did NOT.

A load with a 525 grain cast gas checked bullet over H-322 was WAY too much fun for me. Knocked off my glasses, gave me a scope cut and just plain hurt like hell.

I'll never miss that thing.

I own several biggie Ruger #1s, 416 Ribgy, 375 H&H, 458 Lott, and none of them kick anything like that little #3 did.

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