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SteveH
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JANSEN BOXLOCK EJECTOR , 450-400 3 1/4
      #57944 - 29/05/06 12:20 PM

Poking around I found another rifle that peeked my interest.

http://www.stevebarnettfineguns.com/asp-bin/Detail.asp?ID=2670



Any comments on it or the caliber?

Thanks!!

-Steve

Edited by SteveH (29/05/06 12:28 PM)

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Re: JANSEN BOXLOCK EJECTOR , 450-400 3 1/4 [Re: SteveH]
      #57999 - 30/05/06 01:51 PM

This is typical for Barnett - information in the ad is so sparse as to be useless. No indication as to whether it's a Nitro or BPE. No mention of weight or other dims. They've had this rifle for a long time. It's Belgian, and looks like it might be a decent rifle.
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Re: JANSEN BOXLOCK EJECTOR , 450-400 3 1/4 [Re: 400NitroExpress]
      #58057 - 31/05/06 11:43 AM

Thanks!! I wasn't aware the the 450-400 3 1/4 was developed in the BP era. I learn something every time I read these forums.

So, say it's in good shape and is nitro proofed. Is it a fair deal?

-Steve

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Re: JANSEN BOXLOCK EJECTOR , 450-400 3 1/4 [Re: SteveH]
      #58061 - 31/05/06 03:08 PM

I would pass on this one, I have seen it in person at the beinfeld show in Vegas, and its pretty rough.

check out http://www.schwandtclassicarms.com/ they have a decent Westley droplock in the best 450/400 3"

I have seen this one as well and it shows nice. Mights be bought for $23,000.00 or so.

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Re: JANSEN BOXLOCK EJECTOR , 450-400 3 1/4 [Re: ]
      #58062 - 31/05/06 03:14 PM

Do you know who did the redo on the WR? Anything else you can say about the rifle?

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Re: JANSEN BOXLOCK EJECTOR , 450-400 3 1/4 [Re: SteveH]
      #58063 - 31/05/06 03:38 PM

Steve:

Yes, the .450/.400 3 1/4" was a popular black powder express round long before the Nitro Express version appeared. The .450/.400 3" Nitro Express was designed expressly for Cordite and was never loaded with black.

Also, "nitro proof" would not automatically mean that it is a Nitro Express. Some rifles were specifically proved for the "Nitro for Black" load, which was loaded with semi-smokeless, so they may bear a nitro proof mark but are, technically, black powder proof.

I keep up with the values of British DRs fairly well, but don't pay as much attention to the Belgian guns as I should. The name on the gun doesn't impart a price premium. Jansen is rumored to have been primarily a retailer. Assuming full nitro proof, reasonable weight, excellent bores, and no problems in evidence, I imagine it might be a good value. It certainly isn't a bad looking gun. The best guy to ask would be J. J. Perodeau. He trained and worked as a gunmaker in Liege and is likely to be more familiar with DRs of this make than anyone else in the US that I can think of.
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Re: JANSEN BOXLOCK EJECTOR , 450-400 3 1/4 [Re: 400NitroExpress]
      #58064 - 31/05/06 03:46 PM

The Westley .400 that Mike Schwandt has is a nice redo, including restocking, but the bores don't show well at all, which is why it hasn't sold.
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Re: JANSEN BOXLOCK EJECTOR , 450-400 3 1/4 [Re: 400NitroExpress]
      #58068 - 31/05/06 07:57 PM

How bad are the bores?

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Re: JANSEN BOXLOCK EJECTOR , 450-400 3 1/4 [Re: bulldog563]
      #58075 - 01/06/06 12:08 AM

They have Cordite burn in the groove. Doesn't usually effect accuracy, it's just unsightly, which makes them rather incongruous with a freshly redone rifle. That's why it doesn't show well. It's also why the price isn't higher.
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