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banzaibird
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2 Doubles Questions
#56609 - 08/05/06 08:49 AM

I was wondering if anyone could give me information on these makers (retailer ?) or better yet one the guns specifically linked to below.

I like the look of this first DR but on an 8mm I would prefer it scoped. The 318 bore wouldn't bother me at all. Nawatny DR

The second looks like it was a gun for India. I really like the caliber but would prefer a hammerless in this chambering. Lloyd & Son DR

For those wondering it looks like the Rigby is on hold. The seller seems to have cold feet now about shooting and selling the rifle. So I have a pretty nice cash reserve from selling of some of my homemades and was thinking of putting it into a purpose made DR before the wife makes other plans for the money

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Bill

P.S.- If anyone could point me to a nice 450/400 3" for $10,000-$12,000 I'd like to look at it.

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tinker
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Re: 2 Doubles Questions [Re: banzaibird]
#56612 - 08/05/06 09:09 AM

That lloyd has been hacked, notice the top rib aft of the sights.
Someone's gone in there with a flycutter and poorly undercut the rib, and god knows what else. I'd look at that one with a very critical eye especially for that kind of money.

The .318" 8mm Woodleigh bullet seems to have a good reputation. I wonder if that double rifle's been set up for lead or jacketed bullets. I've spoken with Mr Bob Jones a few times, my sense is that he's pleasant to deal with but you have to know for sure what it is that you want to know from the conversation. Get photos of the proofs and go from there.

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400NitroExpress
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Re: 2 Doubles Questions [Re: banzaibird]
#56615 - 08/05/06 09:56 AM

The concave rib on the Lloyd is original. That treatment was common on British rifles. Most Jeffery's were done in a similar way (which is mentioned in their catalog) and I remember another Lloyd, a boxlock, that was the same. I consider the price pretty strong for a hammergun. I wouldn't want it because of the weight, way too heavy for a .400.

Nowatny in Praha sold a lot of nice guns. Some of their stuff is known to have been retailed.

Really nice .400s are not easy to find now. A good friend finally got one last month. He looked for almost a year. He had only one opportunity for a nice one in the price range you gave, and someone else snapped it up before he could even consider the gun. Most of the good quality .400s available in that price range in the US are pretty used up.
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AkMike
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Re: 2 Doubles Questions [Re: 400NitroExpress]
#56618 - 08/05/06 12:09 PM

That Lloyd is here in town (About 4 miles away)and if you want detailed pics of it I will get some for you Bill.

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577500WR
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Re: 2 Doubles Questions [Re: AkMike]
#56619 - 08/05/06 12:47 PM

I have actually handled the gun 2 times. It has some pitting on the outside of the barrels about 3 to 4 inches from the muzzles. It had sat in a case somewhere and pitted. The bores are really good and if my memory serves me well, the engraving is okay even if it isn't really sharp. They started the price at about way too high, ($14,500.00) and it is now getting better. The gun balances well and it is hard to find better these days in Alaska.

Please remember I am pretty much a newbie when it comes to DR. (My disclaimer)

Bob is about as good as they come at GNG where the gun is listed. He is a salesman, and I do not think he would make any misrepresentations.

577500WR

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Judson
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Re: 2 Doubles Questions [Re: banzaibird]
#56628 - 08/05/06 06:14 PM

if you are looking for a double rifle have you checked David Travellion here in Maine? Their is a site he uses I think it is gunshop.com but I will check for you. Yep that is the place to check google is great! If you need mr. Travellions # let me know he was trained by Purdy and really knows his guns. Last time I talked with him he had a double with two sets of barrels one in .318 WR and the other set in 577 if I remember correctly. The rifle was used in India if I am correct and had accounted for mucho tigers.

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mickey
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Re: 2 Doubles Questions [Re: Judson]
#56633 - 08/05/06 11:06 PM

That would have to be a very heavy rifle in 318.

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500Nitro
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Re: 2 Doubles Questions [Re: mickey]
#56636 - 09/05/06 12:24 AM

Mickey,

That's exactly what I thought when I read the post.

Most of the 2 Barrel set DR's I've seen where one is 500Nitro
or above have been heavy when the light barrels have been put on.

500 Nitro

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tinker
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Re: 2 Doubles Questions [Re: 400NitroExpress]
#56645 - 09/05/06 01:15 AM

That concave feature doesn't look well centered on the rib, and the tool marks don't look consistent with the filing marks on the rib either.

Could just be a bad photo, but it looks like someone screwed the job up to me.

--Tinker

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400NitroExpress
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Re: 2 Doubles Questions [Re: tinker]
#56647 - 09/05/06 01:45 AM

Same as the other one.

No two British DRs are exactly alike and distinguishing what is original from what is not isn't always easy. Shortly after I got my current .400 a British gunmaker, Kirk Merrington, said the rear express sight base was a replacement. I had wondered about that because it looked like it might be to me, so I presumed he was right. I now have four friends who have the same rifle, in the same caliber, from the same trade maker. The rear sight bases on all five rifles are the same. Two have a folding tangent sight behind the folding leaves and one has four folding leaves instead of two, but the bases are identical. Kirk apprenticed with Churchill's and knows British doubles, but he was wrong.
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577500WR
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Re: 2 Doubles Questions [Re: banzaibird]
#56859 - 11/05/06 03:38 AM

The Lloyd and Sons, I agree is from India. You may not be able to tell from the pictures, but there is a Tiger engraved on one side. With the localized pitting on the exterior of the barrel...India is my conclusion as well.

It may be one to try even if you don't like hammers and use for a trade in the future but have as a shooter now.

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