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hoppdoc
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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #56752 - 10/05/06 04:18 AM

Great Thread absent all the perjorative obloquy!!

Kreighoff 500/416--
I have only one Double and very limited Double experience but am not fond of the Kreighoff due to the rifle particulars as previously discussed on this website. This alone would eliminate the caliber unless there is some application I am not aware of.

This forum continues to be great to shed knowledge and insight where needed!!





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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: hoppdoc]
      #56754 - 10/05/06 04:57 AM

Aleko,
I have to agree with Dugaboy, 400 Nitro and the others that recommend the 500/416 over the 416 Rigby for a double.
Even though I have 2 rimless drillings, and a rimless K 95 that have worked perfectly, for a big bore that will be used for elephant and buff up close I would stay with a rimmed cartridge.

I have shot one buff at 12 yards, one elephant at 12 yards and 3 elephants at 6 yards or under.
At those distances you want to leave nothing to chance.


However I would still like to have a 375 H&H double.... I think, just because I have so much 375 ammo and brass. However I have found my 9,3 Chapuis to be PERFECT, so I guess I will leave the 375 to my Blaser R 93.

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: NE450No2]
      #56773 - 10/05/06 10:15 AM

I am torn to be honest. The rimmed .500/.416 is a BETTER choice than .416 Rigby in a double. However, I do have a .375 double for the reason the NE 450 No. 2 made a point of avalibilty. The descrepancy of .416 ammo is a bit bothersome, but I like the bore diameter. It is not a matter of if I need one but which one it is. I am hedging towards the .500/.416 but I do have 500 rounds of Rigby ammo. And I don't need another bolt gun.

Aleko

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Ratel74]
      #56776 - 10/05/06 11:18 AM

Sell the Rigby ammo if you dont have a rifle to use it in/ dont see yourself getting one in the near future and get a 500/416.

For me the 500/416 would win hands down for all the reasons previously mentioned without question.

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: bulldog563]
      #56788 - 10/05/06 03:24 PM

If you have .416 factory ammunition I'm sure someone here on the board will buy it off of you - there's a few people including myself who have picked up one recently.

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Ratel74]
      #56842 - 11/05/06 02:16 AM

Aleko:

Although I've never worried about the availability of factory ammo as I never use it, I do understand the availability issue with repsect to components. Many years ago, my choice was the .450/.400 3". Right after I bought it, Bell sold to PMC and Bell brass dried up overnight. For a number of years, shoving money under people's noses didn't do much good. It worked for me just once and I got 60 rounds that I stashed. For my shooting during that time, I reloaded old Berdan primed Kynoch cases - I was that desperate.

Yeah, I think long term availability of .500/.416 factory ammo might be a valid concern, although I'm not quite as pessimistic about it as you are. Forget that. You'll be happier accuracy wise with handloads, believe me. The load I developed used a new Bell case, Federal 215 primers, 107.5 grains H1000, and a 410 Woodleigh. This load gave good velocity and superb accuracy.

Do it like this and you'll be fine. When you buy the .500/.416, buy all of your brass just once, say a minimum of 300 cases. That way you won't have any availability concerns in the future. The 410 grain .416 bullet will probably always be available. Considering caliber, I imagine that your concern about getting separated from your ammo and needing to buy some somewhere will only apply to Africa. Take a .375 as a second rifle, it will do in that pinch. That is, at least in part, what the second rifle is for. If you can't find .375 ammo, you probably won't be able to find anything else that would be of any use to you anyway.

If the above sounds too aggravating for you to consider then, in all candor, you'll be happier with a bolt rifle.
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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: 400NitroExpress]
      #56851 - 11/05/06 02:55 AM

In reply to:

Do it like this and you'll be fine. When you buy the .500/.416, buy all of your brass just once, say a minimum of 300 cases. That way you won't have any availability concerns in the future.



Good advice for any double rifle cartridge. Would last most of a lifetime of big bore shooting. Is very painful on the pocket initially though.





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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: NitroX]
      #56866 - 11/05/06 04:58 AM

Cheap it ain't, John, but it beats the long dry spells all hollow. It also beats extraction problems with a rimless, especially when standing in front of an enraged animal. If .500/.416 brass does become unavailable in the future, he can form brass for domestic use from .470, which should certainly be available, and save the .500/.416 brass for trips to Africa, where a proper headstamp might be important. A couple hundred rounds of brass would last a long time that way.
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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #56867 - 11/05/06 05:14 AM

Hey BOY! you are unable to identify an interogative phrase and you want to follow "rules of engagemen"t? baby steps Boy baby steps.
Now that you have the name figured out ( Boy ,,,, you're no slouch [ trust me I'm rolling my eyes ] ) read the closing signature line and obey.

You needn't reply Boy, save your energy (you'll need it) to harangue other people who merely seek input and COMMENT.
Save your pontification for someone who gives a rats anus about what you have to spew.



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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Double_Trouble]
      #56870 - 11/05/06 06:42 AM

In reply to:

Hey BOY! you are unable to identify an interogative phrase and you want to follow "rules of engagemen"t? baby steps Boy baby steps.
Now that you have the name figured out ( Boy ,,,, you're no slouch [ trust me I'm rolling my eyes ] ) read the closing signature line and obey.

You needn't reply Boy, save your energy (you'll need it) to harangue other people who merely seek input and COMMENT.
Save your pontification for someone who gives a rats anus about what you have to spew.




BOY?????????? I wish! I've probably got hunting shirts older than you!

OK, I bit the bait, but you didn't set the hook. You find it OK to stake me out on an ant hill, with your name calling, but you only do these things to start a sh&t fest. That seems to be what you like most. Speaking of PONTIFICATION, who the heck made you moderator of this forum? To see where this is going, all one needs to do is, read your profile to see where you are comeing from. I just got picked, but I have no doubt you will find others along the way.

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I'll save my comments (PONTIFICATIONS your words) for those who give a rat's anus about what I have to say. They can read me if they want, or decline. It is evident you are not one of them, so please, as I said before, click right on by my postings!

Case closed, BOY!

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Double_Trouble]
      #56871 - 11/05/06 06:47 AM

Double Trouble,

I think you are way off base here. Perhaps you should start at the bigging of the thread and re-read it. Dugaboy was right in that he questioned why the gent even asked for input. Whether it's asking for comments or having questions is of little importance. He asked for input on the topic and then basically jumped to counter all the initial input that the others offered after he asked for their input.

Not sure why you jumped on Dugaboy for trying to let the guy know that if you are going to ask for opiniond that they may not agree with you. Perhaps he should have worded it I'd like to "debate" the 416 rigby vs the 500/416 if he was going to jump on every other opinion with his counter opinion.

Anyway we don't need these types of deragotory personal attacks, such as you've just posted. Take it to PM if you have to but don't post it here.

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: banzaibird]
      #56874 - 11/05/06 07:14 AM

Oh NO, Don't tell me Cats has made another appearance.

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #56918 - 11/05/06 06:31 PM

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Speak not of what you do not know.
Listen up when it's time to.



A good rule! You should try and follow it, DT!

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Ratel74]
      #56940 - 12/05/06 12:24 AM

Ratel74 , sorry about the outbursts that hyjacked your string here! Aleko, you have been around me long enough to know I meant no disrespect to you in my post about your choices of chamberings in your double rifles. We had this same conversation when you bought your 375 H&H Merkel, and my urgeings did no good at that time either! That is what I meant about your mind being made up!

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #56970 - 12/05/06 08:30 AM

Mac:

Pay no mind to DT. Just a little boy playing with mommy's computer.
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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: 400NitroExpress]
      #56975 - 12/05/06 09:13 AM

In reply to:

Mac:

Pay no mind to DT. Just a little boy playing with mommy's computer.



I have to say, between DT going after Mac here and AkMike giving Tony grief on the Americas hunting board just down the page I was wondering what happened to the gentility here.

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #57019 - 12/05/06 10:08 PM

atta Boy ! keep up the decorous behaviour and all will be right on the savannah

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Double_Trouble]
      #57021 - 12/05/06 11:11 PM

Hey guys, let's cool the rhetoric. Nobody here is into insults. When a small slight causes offense there is no benefit to lashing back. When that happens small things grow large and the forum loses its high demeanor. We are more mature than highschool kids.

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Double_Trouble]
      #57031 - 13/05/06 12:59 AM

Curl

Good idea. Lets see this thread back on topic and no need for posts like the last one.

The topic is .416 doubles:

Is this any other.416 double other than the .500/.416, .416 Rigby and the A-square .416R. Never seen a double advertised in the last loading though. Any in .416 Rem Mag? Others?

Usually we lump the .425 WR, .416s, and .411/.408s into the one batch as the .400's.



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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Double_Trouble]
      #57036 - 13/05/06 01:30 AM

Double Trouble, i just looked at your profile, and among your Hobbies you list "Feces Agitation".

Let me assure you that there is no place for Feces Agitation here, and won't be tolerated. NitroExpress has a reputation for civility, and its members will keep that reputation intact.

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #57044 - 13/05/06 04:17 AM

I will bow to your wishes gentlemen and do my upmost to keep my messages civil.

keep your safety on dougaboy... and I'll do the same

have a pleasent weekend all !

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Re: .416" Bore Doubles [Re: Double_Trouble]
      #57046 - 13/05/06 04:28 AM

You have a great weekend as well.

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