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Nickudu
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Croc!
      #55946 - 28/04/06 06:17 AM

Croc!!

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Marrakai
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Re: Croc! [Re: Nickudu]
      #56080 - 30/04/06 09:48 AM

Good stuff, Nick. Keep 'em coming.

I suspect a great many forum-members are downloading these resources without posting in return, me included, so please don't think this represents a lack of interest!

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Re: Croc! [Re: Marrakai]
      #56081 - 30/04/06 10:02 AM

ditto

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Re: Croc! [Re: Nickudu]
      #56095 - 30/04/06 07:14 PM

I think a croc.is a fantastic animal.It does what it has been endowed by nature to do just like any other animal or beast.To detest them or think of wiping them out is just plain silly.The hippo kills more people in Africa than any other animal,should we thus hate the hippo and wipe it out to?When man ventures into the territory of an animal he should be aware of the risks and take precautions.

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shakari
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Re: Croc! [Re: iqbal]
      #56096 - 30/04/06 07:34 PM

Crocs are about the only thing in Africa that scares me witless - I can't think of many worse ways to die!

Iqbal,

I've heard that statement about hippos a lot, but have no idea where it came from originally. Personally, I think it's a load of bunk and simply don't believe it. I'd say a lot of species kill more people in Africa than the Hippo...... for example snakes & crocs..... to say nothing of the mosquito. I simply don't believe it's possible to compile accurate figures from the more remote countries.........

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Re: Croc! [Re: shakari]
      #56109 - 30/04/06 10:47 PM

I agree.

The croc IS the perfect assasin.Color/night vision and the ability to be motionless.Rumor says he can survive on one meal for many months, and stay under water for prolonged periods of time.

Nothing could be worse than going by the waters edge and have some monster croc and pals grab/drag you into the water, roll you, and rip you to pieces.

Natures purpose here?? I don't understand. They have no natural enemy & they just don't get the weak--
they get the strong too--

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shakari
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Re: Croc! [Re: hoppdoc]
      #56112 - 30/04/06 11:37 PM

I had a client last year who shot a hippo that managed to die right in the middle of the river...... I told the client my normal thing in these situations which is, I'll go in with the trackers and recover your Hippo and you can stay on the bank - but the deal is that you keep watch for flatdogs and if you see one threaten us, you shoot it - if it manages to grab me and you can't shoot it, then you shoot me.

So there I was, up to me chest in water and working my ass off and after about an hour and a half I looked over to check on the client and the bugger was sat there in the sunshine reading a book! ....... very bloody reassuring!!!!!

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Edited by shakari (30/04/06 11:38 PM)

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Sasquatch
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Re: Croc! [Re: shakari]
      #56141 - 01/05/06 07:20 AM

Now that would be a bit disconcerting! So, did you politely tell him how disappointed you were with him.

I think I'd have marched out of the water and told him it was his turn, as after all who shot the bloody hippo in the first place.

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shakari
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Re: Croc! [Re: Sasquatch]
      #56169 - 01/05/06 03:08 PM

These things happen...... I didn't get nailed, so I guess it didn't matter....... what was interesting was that as we were cutting the carcass up (standing upstream of it) was that we had a whole bunch of massive tiger fish in what I can only describe as a feeding frenzy about a metre downstream of the carcass. Every now and again you'd think it was a croc. Sure kept us on out toes!

Pity we didn't have a fishing rod!

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500Nitro
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Re: Croc! [Re: shakari]
      #56170 - 01/05/06 06:35 PM


Shakari,

2 mates and I went to Arhnemland on a Buffalo Hunt and one of them
managed to drop his Bull in the middle of a Swamp in the middle of
a reasonably dry floodplain but with a deep channel running 10 feet away
- which if any croc's were around that is where they'd be !

We wanted a photo of it on dry land which left the PH and 2 of us to get the
Buffalo out by rolling it and pulling it with a rope and an ATV once
closer to the bank while the other stood guard with a rifle.

4 hours later we got the photo and it was worth it but I'm not sure I'd do it
again.

500 Nitro

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ALAN_MCKENZIE
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Re: Croc! [Re: 500Nitro]
      #56174 - 01/05/06 10:55 PM

Collecting drinking water from a pool in Arhnemland.
The water is about 7 feet below where we are sitting,standing ,collecting it.
Note the 44mag revolver just incase.



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shakari
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Re: Croc! [Re: ALAN_MCKENZIE]
      #56185 - 02/05/06 01:41 AM

Shee -it, sounds like you guys have it at least as bad as we do! -

Last year, I was in a croc blind with another client and we watched a pretty nice flatdog slowly cruise up to the bait.... we waited and sure enough he pulled himself out of the water and made himself comfortable next to the bait..... the client was ready to go and the flatdog was in a good position..... so he took the shot. The croc just turned over once - but got into the water and floated belly up which is usually a good sign. - We went over to the water and the tracker and I went in up to our waists with two long poles we had cut previously...... after a lot of very careful prodding we moved the flattie to the bank and then pulled hin onto shore by his tail....... dragged him up the bank, got him posed for photos (including rearranging his sharp end and then started washing him down. I guess it took about half an hour. As we finished, the client said, "Oh shit, look at his eye!" -

After all that time, the ugly bastard woke up and started walking back to the water! - fortunately I was able to get the client to whack it again and this time his lights went out for good......... bloody funny though!

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500Nitro
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Re: Croc! [Re: shakari]
      #56187 - 02/05/06 02:09 AM


Shakari,

I happened to be on holiday when a German Tourist got taken in a water hole
by a Croc - a Big stink over that as the signs were everywhere
saying NO swimming, Crocodiles and yet the tour guide took them swimming.

A few years ago, a mate of mine had a croc crawl 40 feet up a bank and take
him while he was sleeping but luckily the person with him got the croc to let you
- and killed the croc.
The interesting thing was that the croc had followed the boat they were in
as they went across and up the estuary of the river - quite a few Kms.
The croc had obviously followed them up the river, found them
and then crawled up the bank to take him !!! He still has the scars and the
skull of the croc and it is massive.

The same thing happened again last year in Queensland to some tourists.

Yes, I think we have it as bad as you do !!!

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Re: Croc! [Re: shakari]
      #56189 - 02/05/06 02:17 AM

Shakari,the statement has been repeated a no. of times on the National Geographic.I have no idea if it is true but NG is a widely watched channel and they do a lot of research.No doubt the croc.is a dangerous animal but then so is the lion,tiger etc.being torn to pieces by a lion can be no better then being eaten by a croc.

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500Nitro
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Re: Croc! [Re: iqbal]
      #56190 - 02/05/06 02:32 AM


I thought Croc's drown people, then stash them and when you are a bit
tender (rotten), eat you !!!

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shakari
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Re: Croc! [Re: iqbal]
      #56192 - 02/05/06 02:36 AM

500 Nitro - I'm beginning to think you might even have it worse -

Iqbal,

Like you, I've heard the statement no end of times and also read it in no end of magazines - BUT, I've never seen a single scientific paper that had studied the matter and proven the statement. My guess is that some know nothing writer dreamt it up over a campfire and one too many drinks and it now just gets trotted out at every opportunity. I simply don't believe it's possible to get accurate figures from places like the Congo basin etc..... without those figures I don't see how anything can be proven either way......

For me it's the thought of being dragged underwater that's so scary. We all have to die but somehow, but the thought of being stamped on by an Elephant, or nailed by a Lion etc is part of the game and if it happens, then it happens. - But dying by Croc makes my blood run cold....... all that said, I'd still rather die at 99 when I'm in bed with a pair of young blondes......

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Re: Croc! [Re: 500Nitro]
      #56194 - 02/05/06 02:46 AM

When "Dr Deth" (the other client) shot his buffalo out several hundred metres in the swamps in 2004, I was nicely having lunch on shore near the vehicle. Moved the vehicle and left my rifle in the cruiser so I had less to carry back in. Wadeing unarmed in the paperbacks in reasonably shallow but dark and quiet water started giving me the creeps so I shifted back out into the thick grassy swamp.

Coming back the other two guys didn't have their rifles as I was carrying them but probably no ammo.

Somehow the thick grassy swamps didn't feel like a problem, but when you see an aerial photo of a big croc in the grass ..... .

The quiet still more open waters always give me premonitions and the creeps however.

Never saw a croc on that hunt at all, but Penfold said there was a largish one right in the billabong at camp. But actually did see them, by their shining eyes at night from the 'tinny' boat when relocating across a river after a afternoons hunt. More than a handful of eyes too.

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In Kakadu I wll always remember watching a bastard of a croc stalking me in the middle of the East Alligator River, and not noticing the bastard right below me the whole time only several metres away. He had his beedy little eyes on me too. Or the one near the ford again when a big bugger was mid-river. A fisherman told me to watch out for the croc. I said "yes I can see him." He said "No, the other one near the broken branch near you."

Sneeky cunning "evil" bastards.

A croc skin would be nice on the wall, and a skull for the mantlepiece if we are ever allowed to hunt them again.


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shakari
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Re: Croc! [Re: NitroX]
      #56200 - 02/05/06 02:59 AM

The nicest Croc mount I've seen was at Lifeform Taxidermy a few months ago.... It had been set up as a full mount bot to go on the wall like a giank gekko...... sounds odd, but looked great.

I remember doing a game count a few years ago in Zululand. I'd just told the pilot how scared I was of them and soon after we took off the bastard tipped the chopper on it's side so I was hanging from my straps and the rotten bugger said oh, look straight down at all those flatdogs..... Yeah, very bloody funny! - he laughed about it all day......

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Re: Croc! [Re: NitroX]
      #56201 - 02/05/06 03:07 AM

Sounds like feeding the bast*rds, then dropping a CROC LINE with meat on hooks strung on the bottom to drown 'em may get some of the bast*rds. Read somewhere were someone did something like that to thin 'em out. They are at the top of the food chain and no way to control them naturally.

Of course I would never do such a thing as it would be illegal-

Still got no use for the evil SOB's-

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shakari
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Re: Croc! [Re: hoppdoc]
      #56202 - 02/05/06 03:22 AM

I actually have a hankering to try to catch one on a rod and line...... might have a go on the Limpopo later this year..... I reckon a shark rod and tackle and a dead guinea fowl on the end just might do the trick..........

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Re: Croc! [Re: hoppdoc]
      #56203 - 02/05/06 03:23 AM

Crocs are primeval. They awaken the instinctive fear in man of thousands of years of predation on humans, not the only way round.

When you look at a crocodile you look into the eyes of a dinosaur, the last example left on earth and its once dominance of mammals.

Cold blooded killers.



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