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Backup gun for my double rifle
      #54244 - 06/04/06 07:47 AM

Guys carry a revolver in Alaska to back up their bolt or lever rifle while bear hunting. So I was thinking it might be a good idea to carry something to back up my double rifle while elephant hunting.





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Re: Backup gun for my double rifle [Re: 500grains]
      #54255 - 06/04/06 11:13 AM

500,

Looks a bit small to me. What are they????

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Re: Backup gun for my double rifle [Re: 500grains]
      #54258 - 06/04/06 11:41 AM

500--

Is that to use on you or the elephant??

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Re: Backup gun for my double rifle [Re: 500grains]
      #54261 - 06/04/06 12:55 PM

500,

They are beautiful! Please tell us about them.

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Re: Backup gun for my double rifle [Re: AzGuy]
      #54264 - 06/04/06 01:27 PM

It's some kind of an antique 44 caliber deal for sale over on gunbroker.com for 800 bucks.

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Re: Backup gun for my double rifle [Re: 500grains]
      #54274 - 06/04/06 03:12 PM

Not everyone here carrys a 'back-up' pistol here. Just the newbies that hear a bear behind every bush. Like a 357 will do anything more than give those big brown fuzzy critters a headache.

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Re: Backup gun for my double rifle [Re: AkMike]
      #54372 - 07/04/06 11:48 PM

In reply to:

Not everyone here carrys a 'back-up' pistol here. Just the newbies that hear a bear behind every bush. Like a 357 will do anything more than give those big brown fuzzy critters a headache.




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.357 as a backup [Re: AkMike]
      #54377 - 08/04/06 01:12 AM

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"... Like a 357 will do anything more than give those big brown fuzzy critters a headache."
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That's what the Good Lord gave us the S&W500Mag for!


So that pair of pistols look cute, but I doubt they'd be good for much more than chasing vegemite jars around the campfire. Those are barfight pistols, not game guns.
You thinking of grabbing them?


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Re: .357 as a backup [Re: tinker]
      #54384 - 08/04/06 03:13 AM

I don't care if it's a 600 nitro handgun. It still won't do any good because IF you ever need it that bear will have already gotten you. I doubt that by the time you decide that you're in trouble and need to draw that pistol it'll be too late.
P.O.'d critters are extremely fast. You're not.

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Re: Backup gun for my double rifle [Re: 500grains]
      #54395 - 08/04/06 06:20 AM

500grains,

It looks like the single shot backup gun you pictured is basically the same as my great(great?)-grandfathers "backup" gun:




Do you know anything about them?

Erik

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Re: Backup gun for my double rifle [Re: EricD]
      #54416 - 08/04/06 01:26 PM

Nice looking antiques, all of them.

Erik, what did your great ... grand father use his for? Bandits, hunting, a 'gentleman's' piece?

Is that an African pebble game board underneath yours? Sometimes played in the dirt by scooping holes in the African bush shebeens.

If it was bigger it would be like a Howdah pistol. As you know the British used howdah pistols as the last line of defence against enraged tigers from the back of howdah's on elephants.

For pistols as a backup gun, one reason PHs might carry them is if the beast (probably not an elephant though) gets in biting distance the rifle becomes useless but in some examples could still be shot with a pistol (ie when it was on top of them).

Another example which I personally had was with "BigFive" when we had to crawl and slither through a tunnel in the thick riverine bush. A rifle was impossible to use but his pistol could have been used in an emergency. We were only following up a wounded bushbuck but they have been known to get aggressive.

IF LEGAL I wonder how one of these ever promised Baikal .45/70 would go as a modern Howdah pistol if the barrels were cutback and the stock made into a pistol grip?

I wonder what sort of loads would be possible to shoot from it? Maybe worth a new thread?


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Re: Backup gun for my double rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #54418 - 08/04/06 01:32 PM

They make those BFR revolvers in 45-70: too much gun for me, I think, even though my wife's great-grandmother is a Linebaugh. I wonder what pulling both triggers on a sawed off 45-70 would do to the old fingers?

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Re: Backup gun for my double rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #54428 - 08/04/06 04:07 PM

John,

I unfortunatly know very little about this gun (as you probably understood, I'm not even sure if it was my great grandfathers, or his fathers, or even his fathers fathers or even older?!?!?), and those who might have known are dead a decade ago.

But now that I think about it, I guess it has to be older than my great grandfathers since he was born around 1880, and thus would have had a more modern pistol.

As for the "pebble board", it is as you guess from Africa. A so-called Awale board, which is one of the oldest board games know to man that is still played today.

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Re: Backup gun for my double rifle [Re: EricD]
      #54461 - 09/04/06 02:35 AM

In reply to:

As for the "pebble board", it is as you guess from Africa. A so-called Awale board, which is one of the oldest board games know to man that is still played today.




Do you know the rules and how this game is played?

I remember being in a group of people, maybe in Tanzania or Malawi (?) at night outside a native pub and one of our group asked the locals to show her how to play. I remember listening but not too well (ie not enough to memorize the rules).

I think it might make a nice thread to put up the rules and a photo of the "board" somewhere on NE.com. Members can amaze their trackers by playing the game with them .

PS Can you photograph the board? I am sure somewhere on the internet the rules can be found. I saw a modern creation of this game in a shop in Sydney plus about a dozen other 'native' games from around the world.



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Pebble game rules and instructions... [Re: NitroX]
      #54463 - 09/04/06 02:46 AM

Oh yes!

Please do post that game here on the site.
That'd be great, I'd really appreciate that.


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Re: Backup gun for my double rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #54464 - 09/04/06 02:54 AM

I'll take some pictures of the gameboard, and make a post for it.

As for rules, they vary a bit from country to country, and region to region in Africa. But are as far as I know very close to each other. An internet search for "Awale" or "Aware" (this game has several name variations) will give you quite a lot of hits.

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Re: Backup gun for my double rifle [Re: EricD]
      #54483 - 09/04/06 08:22 AM

Awale Game thread added on the "African forum"


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Re: Backup gun for my double rifle [Re: NitroX]
      #54488 - 09/04/06 09:17 AM

Saw that-

Thanks NitroX

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