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bulldog563
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Help with Sight choice?
      #53888 - 02/04/06 03:33 PM

I am about to have some work (bedding, tune up, sights, etc.) done on a M70 Safari Express in 375H&H. My question is regarding sight choice. I have been pretty much set on a set of express sights and front sight from NECG but was curious for thoughts on using a peep sight instead of the standard express sights

. I have never owned or hunted with a rifle equiped with a peep sight but have heard many posters write about how much they like using a peep sight versus express. Are there different styles of peeps and if so which work the best for hunting and what are the differences? I want something strong, simple and easy to use.

What do you guys think? The rifle will see most of its hunting use in Africa for a wide range of species including DG. Pros and Cons? My dad will use it a lot and he doesn't have the greatest eyesight, which would be better for him? Any info or experiences very much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Help with Sight choice? [Re: bulldog563]
      #53890 - 02/04/06 03:59 PM

dog,
I've always had some difficulty acquiring a target fast with any kind of peep, but I do feel they are a more accurate sight system than an open sight. I prefer a shallow V and small bead with a flip twilight bead.

Personal choice enters into this question in a big way, IMO. I'd go to a large gun shop that has a big used inventory and try out everything there, before making a decision as permanent as you need to make.

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Re: Help with Sight choice? [Re: luv2safari]
      #53904 - 02/04/06 06:59 PM

Does someone make a folding peep that you can put out of the way most of the time then use when needed?

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Re: Help with Sight choice? [Re: bulldog563]
      #53907 - 02/04/06 09:29 PM

My eyesight isn't great and I use a larger peep and a large dot on the front sight.I am considering the large tritium front sight as well.

This system works great for snap shots out to 50-75 yards depending on the size of what your shooting . You must practice snap mounting the rifle with the cheek bond the same every time again and again. Otherwise your reference points for the front sight/dot picture is not reproducible(different front sight/bead picture related to target) and accuracy suffers.Past that you usually need a smaller front dot and smaller peep.

I have described it poorly but peep sights work well for me on heavy rifles. I don't like the traditional V because it obscures the large lower portion of the target at distance.
I will certainly admit you can lead a close moving target far better with a v sight than a peep but with practice it can be done with a peep as well. With practice it evolves into kind of a "front sight only" system and all you see is the front sight bead on the target

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Re: Help with Sight choice? [Re: bulldog563]
      #53930 - 03/04/06 03:08 AM

Jim Brockman offers a very simple peep sight that is actually part of the rear scope base, and it looks pretty effective and practical to me:

www.brockmansrifles.com

I have a milled-steel EAW skeletonized rear sight with a single standing blade on my 375 H&H, and a ramped EAW front sight with hood. The rear sight has a fiberoptic reference dot, and the front has a fiberoptic bead. The is the fastest , most truly usable, and best open sight setup I've ever used, especially since I can't get used to peep sights. The rear sight is adjustable for windage, and the front is adjustable for elevation.

The skeletonized rear sight is incredible effective and strong, and it doesn't cover up nearly so much of the target as a traditional rear sight blade.

This set was obtained from New England Custom Guns, and D'Arcy Echols screwed and soldered them to the barrel, so they're on to stay.......

www.newenglandcustomgun.com

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Re: Help with Sight choice? [Re: allenday]
      #53939 - 03/04/06 04:07 AM

Allen,

I think you might mean your skeletonized rear sight is from ERA (Recknagel), instead of EAW .

Erik

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Re: Help with Sight choice? [Re: allenday]
      #53979 - 03/04/06 02:35 PM

Allen, are you referring to the See Through Fiber Optic Sight w/ Base and the Universal Banded front sight that NECG has on their website now?

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Re: Help with Sight choice? [Re: bulldog563]
      #54021 - 04/04/06 12:20 AM

A peep sight, aka, apeture sight, is the fastest and easiest rear sight to use and it works well for those who would use reading glasses since you only have to see at two distances and not three since you don't need to see the rear sight at all. And really you need to see at one since Hoppdoc has it right when he describes putting the front bead on the target. Your eye will automatically center in the apeture. Small apetures allow precision shooting but a big apeture allows you to see the whole of the target and is much, much quicker.

BTW, if you use a peep sight you nees to get rid of any standing blade or whatever since this will interfere with the eye's centering of the front sight in the apeture.

I use a peep sight on a lever action currently and if need be I'll do the same with DG rifles. So far my eyes are fine with express sights but I would switch if needed and never look back.

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Re: Help with Sight choice? [Re: bulldog563]
      #54034 - 04/04/06 03:37 AM

Ditto what JPK said.

My personal experience is to use the larger of the peep sights supplied with the sights(usually a small and large peep are supplied)and concentrate on repeating and getting the same gun "weld' to your bodyevery time and the same "peep picture". The smaller peep gives more accuracy but a smaller sight picture. Then after time all you will see is the front bead on the target!!

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Re: Help with Sight choice? [Re: hoppdoc]
      #54059 - 04/04/06 10:01 AM

Something else to note about a peep sight, not many folks take this into consideration either, is that a peep sight greatly extends the depth of field of the human eye -- it dims the light seen while it's at it too.

Just like a camera lens' aperture iris, the smaller the aperture of the peep sight, the greater the depth of field, and the dimmer the sight picture.

What all that means is this -- with a shallow depth of field, as with our naked eye, we can only focus on something close *or* something far away. With a deep depth of field, we can focus on things which are close *and* far away at the same time. We can get a similar effect simply by squinting really hard too.
That deep depth of field is a great thing for us when we're looking down range at game or a target. With a crisp focus on the front sight and the target at the same time, we can more precicely place the top edge of that front sight *right on* the place we want to put a bullet hole. The disadvantage there is that in dim light like dawn or dusk, the peep sight can be somewhat of a disadvantage in that it takes away some of the available light from our sight picture. There is that trade-off.



All of that --and-- the aperture in the peep sight does very well to 'automatically' center our eye over the sight line, just as noted above in other replies to this thread.




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Re: Help with Sight choice? [Re: bulldog563]
      #54109 - 05/04/06 12:18 AM

bulldog, that's the setup!

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