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AzGuy
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Scopes & DG rifles
      #53787 - 01/04/06 04:04 PM

I'm sure this has been asked before, but I'm new, and wonder when is a scope apporpriate on a DG double? If not a scope, what are the best open sights?

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Re: Scopes & DG rifles [Re: AzGuy]
      #53809 - 02/04/06 02:01 AM

True wide Express sights, bar none - for any hunting rifle, they are the best, most accurate open sights, from my old BRNO .375 to my .45 Flinter and 14 bore ML rifles.
: Wide open "V" rear with a fine bead front sight for day-time - flip-up 'night' front bead for DG.(no experience there unless griz qualifies)
: They've been on Dangerous Game rifes since before 1850 and still are. 156+ years of use and still are "issue" sights on the best, most expensive rifles made. That says something.
: That's just my opinion, of course.

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Edited by Daryl_S (02/04/06 02:03 AM)

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Re: Scopes & DG rifles [Re: DarylS]
      #53864 - 02/04/06 11:38 AM

Daryl_S:
That's a fine point of view to take, until your eye-sight starts to fail. I still shoot with open sights on all my hunting rifles, but many of my mates have been forced to use scopes as their sight deteriorates. They're only a couple of years older than me, so I know the day will come.

One of my close friends even bought a brand new Kreighoff so as not to bugger-up his nice British doubles.

Don't be so short-sighted, mate!

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Re: Scopes & DG rifles [Re: AzGuy]
      #53883 - 02/04/06 03:12 PM

Arizona,

Scopes are never appropriate on doubles.

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Re: Scopes & DG rifles [Re: AzGuy]
      #53909 - 02/04/06 10:42 PM

You don't see scopes on double barreled shotguns for the same reasons.Like double barreled rifles they are both close range weapons.

A scope magnifies for distance, so why have it on a close range weapon designed with a second barrel instantly availible for close encounters of the hair-raising kind? Scopes just aren't good for close range work!! Just doesn't quite make sense. It also affects the handling qualities of the rifle.

It is double rifle heresy but I quess in theory you could mount a non magnifying red dot sight on a double due to eyesight problems but the handling issue remains. I use them on handguns with good results. Blaser double rifles have provisions for scope nounting but you had better have a quick detachible scope to remove for close work.If you suddenly run into a close range situation with the scope on higher power you may develop critical terminal personal problems .

I must qualify this by saying I have only one double rifle but many open sighted double barreled shotguns and rifles. If I must have an optical aid of some sort non magnifying red dot would be my only consideration.

Just my 2cents---

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Edited by hoppdoc (02/04/06 10:49 PM)

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Re: Scopes & DG rifles [Re: hoppdoc]
      #53911 - 03/04/06 12:31 AM

hoppdoc

Many, many more Double have been made in medium and small bore than in large bore. The 'Double Rifles are for close work' is a fallacy. A well regulated medium or small bore is every bit as effective and accurate as a bolt gun with the same sights out to hunting ranges.

I think a lot of people, claiming to be experts, in the press and on some Forums have propagated this myth.

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Re: Scopes & DG rifles [Re: mickey]
      #53913 - 03/04/06 12:48 AM

Mickey--

Sorry
I obviously have zero experience with scoped doubles.
I would still worry about picking up a charging animal in the magnified scope of ANY scoped rifle.

What ranges do they zero them at? Are both barrels regulated to that distance? What type of accuracy do they hold?

Sounds fascinating-- I may have to buy one!!

I am playing with the idea of attaching a Weaver base and Bushnell holosight to a cheap Bakail Double Shotgun and shooting slugs. If my eyes get worse I may have to try using it on my Merkel double!! Got to keep hunting you know!!
I presently use the red dot on a Remington semiauto carbine and I assure you it makes a formidible short range low light deer rifle.


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Re: Scopes & DG rifles [Re: hoppdoc]
      #53919 - 03/04/06 01:29 AM

Hoppdoc,

When is the last time you've been charged by a deer? Mickey was talking about smallbores above. I'm thinking that if you are going to be facing an animal that has a possibility of charging that you wouldn't be using a 7x57R, 7x65R, 333 NE etc.

I beleive his point was that you are considering all DR to be large bores when in fact more smallbore DR's are made and used than largebores every year.

Bill

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Re: Scopes & DG rifles [Re: Marrakai]
      #53927 - 03/04/06 02:34 AM

I merely answered the quesiton regards iron sights. Express sights ARE the best for DG, period.
: I did not address scopes at all. One's eyesight usually starts (previously non-glassed shooter) to degenerate at age 40. I still don't need a scope to hit a bull moose or deer through the lungs out to 250 to 300yards with irons in the open, but do need eye glasses to see my main targets, gophers, and a scope to hit them with. They are my main target, because I shoot thousands of them every summer, compared to one deer, one moose each fall(if I hunt them)ometimes not.
: I do use a scope for big game, as it makes threading a bullet through the underbrush much easier, so a clean path may be taken.

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Re: Scopes & DG rifles [Re: banzaibird]
      #53947 - 03/04/06 05:53 AM

Mickey, Banziabird--

My apologies!!

When I referred to scopes I was referring to DG rifles. I was under the impression that most DR were DG rifles as those were the only kind I had ever seen or been aware of. I agree about scopes & DG.

Actually I do have friend with an itch(need) that a rifle caliber DR with a scope would fill. I have a cattle rancher friend DB who hunts cougar with dogs who wants me to hunt with him some time.We both don't like semiauto's cause they always jam when they shouldn't and open sight lever action/handgun accuracy is lacking from some shots. He does not like thumb cocking a lever action with a scope on top. A cougar charge is not going to occur with dogs unless an obvious opening is made..A 7x 57 Double with a scope would seem perfect for this type hunt.I think I am going to put a sell job on him and hope for the best. Sounds like a fun gun to shoot.


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Edited by hoppdoc (03/04/06 05:55 AM)

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Re: Scopes & DG rifles [Re: AzGuy]
      #53960 - 03/04/06 12:21 PM

Peep sight.

Dave

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Re: Scopes & DG rifles [Re: hoppdoc]
      #53972 - 03/04/06 01:34 PM

hoppdoc

Certainly no need to apologize. I have a 400 3 1`/4 with a 1.75x6 Leupold and a 9.3x74R with a 1.5x6 Zeiss. I like both of them with the scope because of my eyesight.

I can still see well enough to hit an Elephant or a Buffalo with open sites though. I would not use as scope on DG if I had a choice and would always have a low power scope turned down low when in an area where DG was possible.

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Re: Scopes & DG rifles [Re: mickey]
      #53996 - 03/04/06 05:27 PM

I would never scope a 470NE or larger, but would have no problem fitting a detachable scope to a general purpose flat shooting 500/416 or smaller which is what I am having done to a 450/400J that is geting made up for me at the moment.
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