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EDELWEISS
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CVA EXPRESS HELP???
      #52106 - 11/03/06 08:54 AM

If this is familiar, I also posted on the Accurate Reloading site. I made a trade for a CVA Express Double rifle. Its 50 caliber and looks unfired. Its in great shape except for the wedge pin that the isnt flush. The dealer got it in trade, he thinks the pin may be slightly bent and can probably be strightened.

Its a straight grip. The lock plates are engraved with a bear. Theres a single adjustable rear sight. Its marked CVA Express--50 caliber--Spain. When I first saw it I thought it might have been a CVA import from Pedersoli; but the "Spain" has me confused.

The dealer got it in a trade and doesnt know anythink more about it. Theres no manual. Im not sure where to start with loads, or if I should start with patched ball or conicals.

I got it for about $400 in trade. Did I get a good deal? Does anybody have any experience with them? Any ideas or suggestions?

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BlainSmipy
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Re: CVA EXPRESS HELP??? [Re: EDELWEISS]
      #52107 - 11/03/06 09:37 AM

Start with a RB patched with 80 grns powder. Thats about were they regulate them at. Slowly work up to about 100 grn. Do not shoot with the left barrel capped unless you know the hammer won't fall on recoil. Test it first.


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bonanza
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Re: CVA EXPRESS HELP??? [Re: EDELWEISS]
      #52117 - 11/03/06 12:20 PM

Your deal was fair.

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Re: CVA EXPRESS HELP??? [Re: EDELWEISS]
      #52370 - 14/03/06 08:13 AM

First thing to look at is the muzzles. To properly load a patched round ball, the crown should be nicely radiused and smooth. You can do this with a tapered stone bit for an electric drill. Wrapp find emery around the stome and rotate it back and forth with your fingers, not under power. Chenage the mery to finer and finer grades until you are using crocus cloth (red). Your thumb with a final polish with crocus cloth will also do a very good job if you are handy with this sort of thing.
: The reason is a sharp angled crown will cut the cloth patch and result in very bad fouling and poor shooting.
: Next, is to scrub the barrels inside with 0000 steel wool to smooth and polish the lands. Wrapp the (4-ought)steel wool around an undersize brush or jag and oil it, then run it up and down, maybe 20 or more times. This will make her smooth and ready for shooting. It should be a one-time thing, but should be done, especially with Spanish and Italian guns which are know to be a bit rough, sometimes. It will not hurt the barrels.
; Colorado's suggestions are very good for learning to shoot this rifle and finding what it wants. If it is a true .50 cal, that is, with a .500" bore, and .516 to .520(or so) groove dia, then use a .495" ball with a .015 to .018" patch wet with lube. Use spit, Hoppe's #9PLUS or some other BP lube. Bore butter has been known to leave a kind of fouling or coating in the bore that is said to be difficult to remove later.
: I personally use 50:50 Murphy's Oil Soap/Castor oil or Murphy's Ol Soap/Neetsfoot Oil (not compound) 50:50 mix and these work wonderfully.
: For an easier loading combination, a .490" ball and an .018 to .022" patch might work. I use denim bought by the yard from WallMart or other sewing outfit. I take my claiper swith me for measuring. The cloth must be washed, preferrably twice. I use an Arch punch, or large ball bearing and a bearing race for punching out patches (with hammer). The ball and bearing race works well, and you can make a hundred patches in 10 min.or less cutting up to 3 thicnesses at once. The Arch Punch is faster, but costs more. Balls and races can be found for free at large machinery or large electric motor repair places. I use a 1.625" ball and a 1" race for .45 and .50 and 1-1/4" race for .54 and .60cal. A 1 1/2" Arch Punch is used for the .69.
: You will generally find better accuracy with real black powder, rather than one of the phoney powders like Pyrodex, BlackMag3 or T-7.

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DoubleBarrel
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Re: CVA EXPRESS HELP??? [Re: EDELWEISS]
      #60675 - 02/08/06 12:56 AM

I'd say you got a good deal! These things seem to be as rare as hen's teeth. At least that's been my experience between reactions to mine at the range and looking for information for one on Google. I found one on-line classified ad for a .50 cal. The guy wanted $650 for it!

I have a CVA Express double rifle in .54 cal. I bought it from my brother-in-law for $250 15 years ago. It was too much for him. I love it! Even though I've had it for so long, I haven't had it out much. I'm still not the best shot with it. I'm getting there though!

I just got a kit manual, side lock warranty manual (which also has reccomended load data), and a couple of exploded view parts lists direct from CVA, no charge. Here's their number. 1-770-449-4687


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