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homemadeDR
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Lion charge video
      #51777 - 08/03/06 09:50 AM

I found this video clip on the WEB and thought that it would be a good one to share.

http://www.insaneclips.com/lionhuntingvideo.php

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Re: Lion charge video [Re: homemadeDR]
      #51802 - 08/03/06 03:23 PM



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Re: Lion charge video [Re: luv2safari]
      #51823 - 09/03/06 01:52 AM

Seems this clip is making the rounds yet again. It is useful in that it demonstrates the difficulty of hitting a target coming rapidly towards you.

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Re: Lion charge video [Re: Boomer]
      #51826 - 09/03/06 06:44 AM

Yep, that ones been around for some time now, great fodder for the PETA crowd. I found myself rooting for the Lyon after about the 10th time of watching it. Lovely example of a canned hunt eh!

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Re: Lion charge video [Re: 8x56mn]
      #51828 - 09/03/06 07:22 AM

Over the years I've seen the comments that this video portrays a canned hunt. Do these comments come from the fact that there is a fence line visible in the video, or does someone have hard information to support the claim? With only the video to guide me, I would assume that the hunt took place on a farm along a fence line - just as a deer or antelope hunt could in rural North America.

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Re: Lion charge video [Re: Boomer]
      #51832 - 09/03/06 07:59 AM

Well I guess I would ask myself what's an adult full mained MGM Male lion doing in SA all by himself. He looked like he just woke up and had no idea where he was. Also did you notice how many people were there, it sure looked like an orchestrated event to me, just an observation

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Re: Lion charge video [Re: 8x56mn]
      #51840 - 09/03/06 09:06 AM

I'm not trying to be difficult here, but I've seen video of other lion hunts taken in less settled areas which showed nice solitary male lions exhibiting similar behavior, when they are first encountered. Large predators come into farms and ranches regularly in rural North America, so why is it not possible that is what occurred in this video? I think it is possible the lion had been observed for a day or two, then a decision was made to take him. Perhaps he had taken an antelope nearby or even some stock, and that would explain why he hadn't left the area.

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Re: Lion charge video [Re: homemadeDR]
      #51850 - 09/03/06 10:16 AM

The video is very interesting indeed.

As the shot is taken the lion turns.
Maybe he was gut shot? Were the vitals hit? Who knows?
I assume this is why the lion was able to attack so rapidly.

Lions are supposed to be "soft" and some say fodder for calibers like a 30.06 etc.Can a mortally wounded lion rip off and run like this?
Did the shot go bad or is this typical lion hunting?

Lion hunters and PH's--Any comments or thoughts?



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Re: Lion charge video [Re: hoppdoc]
      #51854 - 09/03/06 10:54 AM

In reply to:

Lion hunters and PH's--Any comments or thoughts?




Regardless of whether this was a canned hunt or not the fact is that one of the two shots fired when the lion was real close most likely saved that hunters arse.
One of those two shots hits high in the lions chest and you can see the hit and the blood spray.
That hit stuffed the lions timing and he ended up skidding and overshooting his mark.
His back feet are both skidding and he attempts to spring using his front legs.
If those close shots had missed he may well have got it right and nailed that hunter and maybe others there would have been injured as well.

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Re: Lion charge video [Re: 4seventy]
      #51855 - 09/03/06 10:59 AM


The fact is so many people missed fattally hitting / stopping the charging lion
including the PH that it just shows how 2 KILLING / STOPPING shots in 2
seconds is so hard.

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Re: Lion charge video [Re: 500Nitro]
      #51870 - 09/03/06 02:37 PM

Lion hunters and PH's--

Opinions please- You probably won't get but 2 shots off from either a scoped bolt or a double in this situation and distance. The scope should certainly be on a low power for a charge.

Agreed?

Do any of you usually quickly transition between rifles with a bolt 1st/ b/u double combo on a lion hunt after a stalking shot??--Any technical problems come to mind? Is this taboo? In such a situation time to do additional gun handling is obviously at a premium. Screw up and you can easily die!

Is it ONE rifle till one is sure everything has not turned to **** and you are being charged? What have you done on previous safaris if the bolt/double combo was available?

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Edited by hoppdoc (09/03/06 02:38 PM)

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Re: Lion charge video [Re: Boomer]
      #51880 - 09/03/06 04:24 PM

Boomer...You have to get over your denial. SA high fence lion "hunts" ARE canned. Thats the way they do things there, period! The video is of a blundered murder, not a lion hunt... and, it doesn't rate much more attention.

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Re: Lion charge video [Re: luv2safari]
      #51898 - 10/03/06 12:37 AM

It's not a matter of denial, but the claim you make could as esily be made against U.S. based hunts because of one or two unethical operators. Other than a fence - and fences occur everywhere - what evidence is there that this is a canned hunt?

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Re: Lion charge video [Re: Boomer]
      #51901 - 10/03/06 01:25 AM

Boomer, perhaps you should book one of the SA lion hunts and find out for youself.

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Re: Lion charge video [Re: Boomer]
      #51931 - 10/03/06 05:20 AM

Boomer, first of all, lions of that trophy caliber do not exist on any farm in southern Africa, unless they are raised in a pen, or enclosure, and then specifically brought onto the farm right before a "hunter" arrives. A give away that this shoot isn't in a traditional dangerous game area is the fence, and electric lines. Fences like that just don't exist in Zambia, Tanzania, and other wild areas. I don't know if you've been to Africa to hunt or not, but most people who''ve been there several times are quick to pick up the differences. What I'm saying, I guess, is that in Africa, fences are not everywhere. In ligitimat dangerous game areas, there are none at all.

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Re: Lion charge video [Re: mikeh416Rigby]
      #51969 - 10/03/06 08:19 AM

Fair enough. Where I live polar bears frequently wander into areas where there are both fences and powerlines - not to mention cabins, houses and stores, but if you say that all the farm land in RSA is outside of lion habitat I will accept that. My first trip to Africa will be Tanzania this summer, sadly lions are beyond my pay scale.

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Re: Lion charge video [Re: Boomer]
      #51976 - 10/03/06 09:57 AM

Definitely canned.

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Re: Lion charge video [Re: Boomer]
      #51997 - 10/03/06 01:21 PM

You WILL LOVE Tanzania!! Real Africa!

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Re: Lion charge video [Re: luv2safari]
      #52016 - 10/03/06 02:15 PM

Thanks - I'm very much looking forward to it. We have 10 days in the Selous to pester buffalo, then another 10 which we'll spend at Ngorongoro and perhaps at Taragire. Only 17 weeks to go!

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Re: Lion charge video [Re: Boomer]
      #52021 - 10/03/06 02:55 PM

Tarangire is a nice park with enoumous buffalo. I hunted Lokisale a few years ago, right on the park's edge. You owe it to yourself to go there and see it all...and the Masai.

Have a great safari and bring us back some pix.

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Re: Lion charge video [Re: luv2safari]
      #52080 - 11/03/06 03:17 AM

South African Safaris-----At a Sportsman Show last weekend I talked with a 'Safari' travel agent about a cape buff hunt and saw that the price to shoot one was $11,000 +/-. It's been a while since I was on safari but never in S.A. I was blown away that it cost so much so I asked, "Who sets the price for the buff?" Years ago I shot two buffs in Mozambique for like $350 a piece I'm guessing. 1963 was the year and a lot has happened since. Mozambique in some areas has started a come back but the graft and corruption and thievery is a problem. Also little infrastructure outside the big cities. I know for a fact that lions are a problem around some towns taking people down !!! A missionary wrote about it recently.

Anyway back to the buff hunt. The reply was that's what the safari outfit has to pay to BUY a cape buff. I assumed the buff would be bought at a ranch ?? and brought to some other ranch for a client to shoot. If this is true then I can see why the lion charge video is questionable. Especially since it looked canned.Yes, there can be fences and tele lines where lions may be but very unusual.....

My father lived in Africa and shot two lions---both with a double 500-450 and his opinion (and mine as well) was a client can use a bolt action on dangerous game but the PH is out of his mind to not have a double. Seldom is there time to work a bolt action fast enough to be of any use in close quarters. Dad owned at least a dozen doubles at one time or another, taking some in on trade or buying one and repairing it. He worked at the biggest gun shop in Harare as their gunsmith but I don't recall the store's name.

We had lots of great hunting but it was always in the tented safari which, IMO, is the only way to go.

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