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bulldog563
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Re: Regulating a DR. [Re: JPK]
      #42794 - 02/12/05 04:17 PM

How long does the process take from the day you send it out to the day you get it back? Do you really trust him with a 20 grand rifle? Does he offer any insurance in case something goes wrong?

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JPK
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Re: Regulating a DR. [Re: bulldog563]
      #42805 - 02/12/05 07:36 PM

Bulldog,

On the trust issue, take a look at Champlin's site. JJ works out of their space. $20,000 is an also ran in the price department. Griffin & Howe recomended JJ and they work on some very expensive six figure guns. JJ aprenticed for Marcel Thys, the maker of my rifle, which factored into their recomendation. G & H has been overseeing the restoration of a pair of shotguns for me. They will do the work too but told me that the logistics of having to drive from their shop location to their range would be inefficient.

My rifles are insured but I'm not sure that it would cover a blown barrel or expanded chamber type of loss. In fact I doubt it. Loss or theft for sure and the rifles were shipped fully insured too.

Timing depends on their workload and on the OK wind. JJ's range is just out back I've been told, but they have to have little wind and that isn't everyday. It took almost three months for me to get my rifles back but they were doing other work which included twisting the triggers for me, a lefty, freeing up the safety which was a bit stiff from being a bit wood bound, a complete strip and clean of the sidelocks and other action parts and ejectors, lighten the front trigger pull... and they were also working on my 375H&H concurrently with some work too, as well as working up the solid load.

I think Superior has an indoor shooting tunnel so any delay is purely backlog. When I talked to him, his backlog would have meant three months, but I would still have needed to have the issues taken care of like the triggers and safety...

BTW, on cost I forgot to mention that you would be charged for ammo used in the process too. Superior is the same here, I'm just about sure. Wasn't too much as I recall.

Since you know what the regulation load is you can shoot to your heart's content by just ordering ammo to Butch's spec and having it waiting for the arrival of your rifle. This will get you over the "I need to shoot my new gun" itch. When you're ready you can send the rifle for the other loads you'd like.

I bought my rifle in Feb, went out of town for three weeks after shooting maybe 20 rounds through it. Came back and shot it plenty discovering no current factory load that shot well. I sent my rifles to JJ in May I think, got them back about the first of August or so and shot a whole lot before my safari in Oct. Did I miss my rifles? Yes! How much did it matter? Not much, I guess. Becuase of recoil, most practice, so far as the number of rounds fired, is best done with lesser rifles anyway. And they both shot a bunch better when they got back. I haven't fired a round out of my double since I got back and I figure I'm just shy of 300 rounds through it.

JPK


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Re: Regulating a DR. [Re: JPK]
      #42807 - 02/12/05 07:43 PM

BullDog,

Another thought, before you ship your rifle anywhere you might want to try to get hold of Westley Richards soft point ammo. I might just shoot great. Same with Kynamco ammo.

I think for a light load you'll have to send the rifle out or you might get lucky with the formula for a light load to match full house full bullet weight loads. Your ammo supplier, whether JJ or Superior will know the formula and you just might try a box.

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bulldog563
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Re: Regulating a DR. [Re: JPK]
      #42808 - 02/12/05 08:38 PM

My problem is the DR will only be ready in the end of april (hopefully) and I go to Bots for ele end of May. I will probably just go with the loads that butch reg's it for and go through developing loads when I return. Should be ready for a TZ buff hunt in Nov with all the loads I need.

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Re: Regulating a DR. [Re: bulldog563]
      #42828 - 03/12/05 02:00 AM

Bulldog

Why do you need other loads than a solid and soft 570 grains loads that Butch will give you?

If you are afflicted by Fuckitis than learn to reload and play with it yourself. It's good practice and interesting.

Don't buy into all this shit about having to use this type or that type of bullet. Woodleighs, which you will have loads for, are as good as it gets. There is no magic bullet.

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Re: Regulating a DR. [Re: mickey]
      #42896 - 03/12/05 02:02 PM

Mick:

Ah, yes, the dreaded Fuckitis Virus (the irrational compulsion to fix what isn't broken). A mutation of which is the AR/Ray/RIP Dementia (the firm belief that a RN steel jacket solid won't shoot through both sides of a coffee can). But geeze Mick, don't be so hard on him. It isn't his fault. He probably picked it up hanging around the AR isolation ward.

Bulldog:

Look, you need to have it regulated with what you're going to shoot in it. If you're going to handload, then have him regulate it with his Woodleigh load and you can play with the other stuff later. If you're not going to handload, have it regulated with factory Kynoch and stick with that. Besides, it won't void your warranty like handloads might.

The current Kynoch is good, consistent ammo. The softs and solids are Woodleigh. To my knowledge, Kynoch is the only factory flanged nitro express ammunition that is pressure tested in the correct way.

The Westley Richards ammo is another matter. I've seen a few warnings around the web about it and have spoken with a number of guys who tried it in double rifles. My own experience with it was consistent with theirs. I only fired two rounds. I initially couldn't get the gun open and the velocity was 350 fps over standard. I've since heard of a .500 Nitro that was blown up with it. I wouldn't fire this stuff in any rifle, much less a double.
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Re: Regulating a DR. [Re: mkd]
      #47163 - 21/01/06 02:31 AM

I know this thread is old, but I was catching up on my reading and stumbled across it. I was interested to see the post about a shotgun that had been regulated for slugs by removing metal from the insides of the muzzles. Having a double shotgun that will shoot slugs from both barrels in a reasonable group is something that has interested me, and from my reading a lot of others, for a long time. What I am curious about is has anyone else ever tried the method referred to, and if so and it worked, then why couldnt one do the same operation on a choke tube? I am perplexed as to how working on the inside of the muzzles can move the impact enough to matter, without removing a lot of metal, but this thread isnt the first time I have ran across this idea. If it can actually work I am seriously getting an inexpensive double and trying it. I would love to hear any ideas or experiences with this project. Thanks in advance.

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Re: Regulating a DR. [Re: tatwell]
      #47165 - 21/01/06 02:50 AM

tatewell
Years ago I bought a Brylly choke for my Perazzi single barrel trap gun that was bored to shoot a 90-10 patter. The choke was actually concentric. The problem was the choke would back off and the POI would move. I don't see why that would not work with a slug.

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Re: Regulating a DR. [Re: 8x56mn]
      #47306 - 22/01/06 01:40 AM

8x56..Thanks for the info, I had a similar incident a long time ago with an old Sears shotgun that had a polychoke on it, for some reason, and it could have been because it was crooked, it would put the pattern either way right or left, dont remember which. But I do remember that I did some filing on the collet and got it much better. However I had never heard of adjusting impact with slugs in a similar manner. The more I think about it, the more I am intrigued by it. If I could find a suitable shotgun to experiment with I think I will try this.

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