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45s_save_lives
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new, introducing myself
      #41357 - 12/11/05 02:48 PM

Hello all. I am new to this forum and just wanted to introduce myself and say howdy. I am unexplainably obsessed with double rifles as well as hunting the game in which their use was intended, although I do not own a double and have never hunted such game. However I believe that only my youth (24 yrs) and finances have stopped me. Believe me I will correct this in the future (hopefully).

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NE450No2
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Re: new, introducing myself [Re: 45s_save_lives]
      #41359 - 12/11/05 03:09 PM

45
Welcome to the Forum.
Double rifles are expensive, but well worth the money.
They are truely the best hunting rifles on the Planet.
Tell us a little bit more about yourself and the rifles you use now.

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JPeterson
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Re: new, introducing myself [Re: 45s_save_lives]
      #41361 - 12/11/05 03:19 PM

Welcome aboard

I'm also new to the site but what I've seen so far your among some very knowledgeable people!

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Re: new, introducing myself [Re: 45s_save_lives]
      #41372 - 12/11/05 03:57 PM

Welcome. Hope you have fun here. I hope your ambition is realised one day as well.



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tinker
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Re: new, introducing myself [Re: 45s_save_lives]
      #41376 - 12/11/05 04:11 PM

Where are you located?


--Tinker

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MauserRifle
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Re: new, introducing myself [Re: 45s_save_lives]
      #41377 - 12/11/05 04:17 PM

Welcome to the forum. You won't find a nicer group of people anywhere, and you will defenately learn about DR's.



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iwantadouble
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Re: new, introducing myself [Re: 45s_save_lives]
      #41383 - 12/11/05 05:13 PM

Welcome to the forum. I am new here as well, and only a couple of years older than you. In the short time I have been a member of this board, my knowledge on the subject of doubles has probably trippled. The people are the nicest of any internet forum you will find. The pleasure of their company is only surpassed by their knowledge of doubles, fine quality magazines, single shots, shotguns and the Express cartridges.

As a way to bring myself closer to the purchase of a double, I have set aside a given amount of money each month into a fund that I refuse to tap into for external uses. Hopefully within ten years or less I will be able to own a fine English boxlock in a smaller (.400-.475 range) caliber. In the mean time, I have dedicated my spare time to study, more study and yet even more study of the rifles. Don't know if this approach helps you any with your quest for affording a double, but it is a thought for you to consider.

Welcome again!

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Marrakai
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Re: new, introducing myself [Re: iwantadouble]
      #41388 - 12/11/05 09:03 PM

45s and iwantadouble:
My advice to anyone who is badly bitten by the double rifle bug is to start looking seriously NOW! It might seem like a stupid amount of money at first, but once spent you will soon forget it, and you will have a double rifle in your hands. Time is the enemy! By waiting, you will watch the price of new guns rising just ahead of your savings, and the market for good second-hand rifles shrinking at an alarming rate. ...and all the while you're wandering the woods with a turn-bolt, never knowing just how much more satisfying and fulfilling the experience could be!

Spending money you don't really have NOW might be a hardship, but a little pain in the short-term will reap huge rewards in the mid to longer term. You will be out there shooting and hunting with your double, stacking away experiences and fond memories, not just dreaming about it.

With apologies to Nike, JUST DO IT !

You won't regret it.

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iwantadouble
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Re: new, introducing myself [Re: Marrakai]
      #41391 - 12/11/05 09:46 PM

I am certain that I would not regret buying a double from a shooting standpoint, even a beat to death, no bore left in it double. My reason for a double will always be from a shooter's standpoint first and foremost, but secondly with an investment standpoint in mind. I would love to have something to pass to any future children I might have as a family heirloom as well.

Given that the latest trend seems to be all things double related and all things big bore Express cartridge related, yes, I can see your reason for stating to jump on it now, but (I hope), the prediction that they will continue to increase at the rate they have in the last ten years or so will not be the case. My prediction is that they will eventually level off in price in a few years, and slowly and steadily continue to rise, before another major price spike. It is a gamble to take, but I am willing to wager that it will pay off in the long run by leaving me open to the oppertunity to get an English gun instead of just settling for a German or Belgian now. (Note that there was a .450/.400 NE by some Belgian maker that I was very seriously considering purchase of for about $3,000 that did not last long a few weeks ago. I have nothing against the European rifles, I am just holding out for a British.)

If I personally had $40,000 to dump into a rifle this instant, at my personal level of knowledge, I would refrain as well. I am not proficent enough in the subject to spend the funds and know 100% for sure if I am making the right choice in buying. I know what I like in various grades of rifle, from a Purdey best on down to a Webley action'd Army & Navy boxlock for shooting, but I am unaware of all the little intricacies associated with looking the rifle over right before the opening of the wallet. Therein is where this board and the informative responses by the members to most of my own stupid (or maybe ignorant is a better word) questions has paid off dearly, along with having a friend that has owned dozens of doubles and allows me to look his collection over and study and shoot the rifles. I will probably only ever own one double, and I want the said rifle to be a wise choice that I will not regret.

Sorry if I led the welcome off course any. I am just speaking for myself, and would not nessecarily want anyone else to be swayed any by my opinion; everyone's needs are different than the next guy, and what is best for me might not be for him. That is just my two cents worth.

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tinker
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Re: new, introducing myself [Re: iwantadouble]
      #41397 - 13/11/05 02:06 AM

Something about what was suggested there that you need to consider.


Getting your hands on a double rifle -taoday- gets you in the market. It gets your money settled into a gun that you can be using, learning, and hunting with while you refine your tastes around shooting style with the double rifle.
It gets your money into a double rifle that's appreciating at the rate that double rifles are appreciating, and it gets another double rifle up and running... -and do note that everything's for sale in this world- it gets your toes into the stirrups of ownership of the gun you'll end up *really* wanting later. Shooting that gun in the company of other double rifle shooters and owners will get other double rifles in your hands to shoot and it will get stories of experiences of other shooters in your lap that likely would never have landed there otherwise.
That double rifle will (strangely enough) key open doors to you in your pursuit of the greater double rifle that likely won't exist otherwise...


Just a bit of a thought there for you guys.
Get on the horn with your credit card agent and stretch yourself a bit thin. Once you have that first double rifle, the other crap like pitchers of beer on thursday night, satellite TV, expensive wheels or exhaust systems for your car or truck... You'll even likely find soon that the women you were spending money on in the pursuit of a bit of tail aren't nearly as interesting as the women who you find along the trail to your next double rifle.

Not to say that you'll end up single, in an empty flat, no TV or other entertainment budget, driving a rusty Pinto wagon, but with a couple of Double Rifles and some solid reloading gear...
But how bad could that possibly be??!!


Get the damn double rifle and pick the rest of it back up from there for god's sake!


Oh, and 45sSL
Post your location in your profile so it'll come up with your ID here, let the folks know where you're posting from.



--Tinker

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DUGABOY1
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Re: new, introducing myself [Re: 45s_save_lives]
      #41398 - 13/11/05 04:17 AM

In reply to:

Hello all. I am new to this forum and just wanted to introduce myself and say howdy. I am unexplainably obsessed with double rifles as well as hunting the game in which their use was intended, although I do not own a double and have never hunted such game. However I believe that only my youth (24 yrs) and finances have stopped me. Believe me I will correct this in the future (hopefully).



Welcome 45s, you will absolutely love this place if you're an addict for double rifles. The combined knowledge found here would add up to enough to fill several large books on the subject of THE CARE, AND FEEDING OF DOUBLE RIFLES.

As you have already started the recieve a lot of friendly advice, so you can see what I mean. Come on in and drag up a chair and sit by the fire, this is a warm room!

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DUGABOY1, and MacD37 founding member of DRSS www.doublerifleshooterssociety.com
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475Guy
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Re: new, introducing myself [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #41407 - 13/11/05 10:09 AM

Y'all don't have to spend 40K to get into a beginner's DR at all unless you want to. You can get deals for 5.5K to 8.5K for doubles ranging from 9.3X74's to 470 NE's in the used rifle market. In fact, you don't have to start with the biggest caliber at all. One of my biggest regrets is in not getting a 9.3 DR when the prices were reallllly cheap.

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Re: new, introducing myself [Re: 475Guy]
      #41411 - 13/11/05 10:37 AM

In reply to:

One of my biggest regrets is in not getting a 9.3 DR when the prices were reallllly cheap.



I totally agree with that! I've always had a 9.3X74R double around, and have two as we speak. I have always said the best double rifle for a guy to start out with is a 9.3X74R. They are fine for anything in North America, and are legal in many places in Africa, for the big five. They are cheaper to shoot, comparitively speaking, so the new owner can shoot them a lot. The recoil is managable, so do not cause the new owner to be scared of his rifle, and develope flinches. IMO, for any first time buyer of a double rifle, he will be intering a learning curve, and he will learn faster is he doesn't have to spend $225 per box of 20 rds for ammo to shoot, like if he buys a 470NE to start with. The 9.3 doubles were sleepers till lately, but now are almost unavailable,in the USA, and prices have gone up by about $3500 since I bought my last one, and they are not available at all. It seems the importers didn't expect the run on stocks of the little 9.3 doubles, and didn't order enough units.

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Re: new, introducing myself [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #41414 - 13/11/05 10:55 AM

My biggest regret is spending money on crap rifles. In hindsight I should not have gotten any custom rifles built until I had enough set aside for a best quality custom rifle, as it would have been more economical. However, I learned a lot along the way.

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iwantadouble
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Re: new, introducing myself [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #41424 - 13/11/05 01:43 PM

Under my own personal situation, a 9.3X74R double would not be the best starter. A .375 Belted would be more logical based on the fact that I already have the ammo, I have the brass, equipment, ect. Of course, the action must be stronger, the rifle will be heavier (does not bother me), and the price higher initially. Money being no object, this would be picked up tomorrow after a ten minute drive to the store. Of course, if the lock drops, the price skyrockets, but in this hypothetical scenario, money is a moot point.

My problem is that when I buy a double, I want a legitimate big bore, not a medium. My personal prefered chamberings would be probably the .500/.465, the .450 #2, the .475 #2, and the .500, and probably in that order. Obviously I could equal the performance of all but the .500 with a much cheaper cartridge, that is easier obtained (.470), but this just does not appeal to me either. I like obscure. One look at the vehicles I own would verify this. The most common car I have is an all steel 1941 Willys (not a Jeep). The thought of selling this automobile (it is desirable, and it is worth enough in its half completed restorated to put me into one of about half of the selection at WR) has crossed my mind, but I can not bring myself to it. With other people, everything might be for sale, but I never claimed to be like other people, either. This holds especially true on items I have had to make personal sacrifices for.

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Re: new, introducing myself [Re: 45s_save_lives]
      #41428 - 13/11/05 03:09 PM

Hi,

Welcome. Just a few years ago I was in your situation: same age and same desire for a double rifle! I saved up and got a nice little Chapuis 9.3.

I think Dugaboy's advice is very good. Get a good 9.3x74r double rifle and try it out. You can't go wrong with a nice little Chapuis or Merkel, and can't beat the price! Its a great round, and its price is fine for shooting, and learning to reload to make a double rifle regulate, and keep saving while you have the 9.3. Then once you learn more about double rifles, shoot some others, see a whole bunch and meet and shoot with others who also shoot and collect them, you'll be in a better position to get the "one of your dreams." I say this as someone who know that he is a newbie himself. I own one double, that 9.3, and I have owned it for about 5 years. I am still not at the point where I would be comfortable plunking down a big chunk of change on a vintage British double rifle without expert advice.

Also don't shy away from the European ones. I know the British ones have a "mystic" about them, but you can get some great deals on Continental doubles. Personally I have a bias toward European guns, but that's just me. See what you like.

Another recommendation I'd have for the new to the double rifle world would be twofold:
(1) Find people who have lots of experience with double rifles and learn from them. I've learned a lot from this board, in particular my friendship with Capt. Curl here. He’s been a wealth of knowledge (in addition to being a great guy!). Talking with someone who has spent 20 or more year collecting and shooting doubles really helps a new guy starting out!

(2) If your not into double shotguns, I'd start learning about them too. While there are differences, you can learn a lot about double rifle actions, double gun makers and many other things by learning about double shotguns. I say this being a person who is a double shotgun shooters and bird hunter. But what amazes me are guys "who get bitten" by the double rifle bug, but don't know anything about double shotguns, they feel ready to drop big bucks on a DR but don't know much about break action guns. You can learn a great deal about boxlocks, sidelocks, WR droplocks, round actions, Blitz actions, greener crossbolts, Purdey under bolts, etc. all through shotguns which in the US are much easier to find information on: ie. there are more double shotguns to take a look at, and more information on them than double rifles. Classic writers like Gogh Thomas and modern ones like Mike MacIntosh have much information that is useful for double rifles even though they are writing about shotguns.

Hope this helps, just my thoughts!


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Re: new, introducing myself [Re: 45s_save_lives]
      #41653 - 16/11/05 06:52 AM

Welcome to the club. Lots of great guys here.

Are you from West Virginia? I know a lot of good WV jokes...

If you are from VA or WV, take a trip up to Hendershot's in Hancock, Maryland. Lance has a number of new doubles in stock (Merkels and Blasers).

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Double Rifle Shooters Society
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