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Gun shops / dealers to visit in India
      #41164 - 10/11/05 03:11 PM

I am holidaying in India in December and January and would like to visit some gun shops and/or dealers.

Does anyone have any suggestions of any particularly good ones to visit?


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Re: Gun shops / dealers to visit in India [Re: NitroX]
      #41245 - 11/11/05 11:46 AM

While I can't speak of the current situation in India, I did visit there some years ago (my honeymoon, if you can believe that). Our hosts made an effort to locate some dealers for me, and we actually visited TWO, one in Mumbai (Bombay, at the time), and one in Agra. Both were pretty small operations and both proprietors greeted me as if I had dropped from the moon. Apparently, private ownership of firearms in India is/was (even then) all but extinct. I got to handle ONE DR, a pretty tired .450/.400, with plenty of evidence of 'native' repairs and reblacking. No one could tell me how to go about actually BUYING a gun there, even for export. So, on balance, for a rifleman, the trip was a bust.
The folks who hosted our visit were as courteous and thoughtful as they could possibly be, and went out of their way to make us welcome - they were Jains, nominally (but, thankfully, did not go about 'sky-clad'). They were also strict vegetarians, but I was able to sneak away for an occasional meat fix.
My bride and I enjoyed the visit, except that, during our stay in Agra, we both fell victim to Giardiasis - I like to tell folks that I may be the only honeymooner in history to view the Taj Mahal by moonlight ... alone (because the Memsab was too sick to get out of the van and walk the 100 yards to the gate).
So we cut short our Indian adventure, returned to Mumbai (with an interminable layover in Delhi), checked into a hotel, called a doctor, and were able to leave several days earlier than planned. Checking in at Air India, rather than an aisle or window, we both requested a toilet seat (but didn't get them).
When we made it back to Dallas, my parents came to pick us up ... and walked right past both of us where we were huddled together, resembling Somali refugees.
If you must go to India, go first class all the way... AND DON"T DRINK THE WATER! :-/
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Re: Gun shops / dealers to visit in India [Re: mhb]
      #41258 - 11/11/05 02:32 PM

mhb

Ha ha. Very good story. I know it well.

In reply to:

Checking in at Air India, rather than an aisle or window, we both requested a toilet seat (but didn't get them).





I have done this from Melbourne to Adelaide, when returning from Bangkok. I believe it was food poisoning from British Airways that caused it, not Thai food. Half of the trip from Bangkok to Sydney I spent in a toilet.

In reply to:

My bride and I enjoyed the visit, except that, during our stay in Agra, we both fell victim to Giardiasis - I like to tell folks that I may be the only honeymooner in history to view the Taj Mahal by moonlight ... alone (because the Memsab was too sick to get out of the van and walk the 100 yards to the gate).




Sort of like a male "Princess Diana" looking very lonely.

On a visit to Egypt I had major problems and spent many days in the hotel rooms during the worst of the bouts. A good idea is to take a "stopper" and use it if the affliction is not too bad and before it gets really bad. But only for short periods.

I love curries and Indian food so I suspect this trip will be quite difficult. I need to loose weight but cross fingers not excessively!

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Back off toilet humour.

I had a guy trying to sell me some doubles from Agra once. I should contact him again as we are going there and find out if he was actually for real or NOT.



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      #41293 - 12/11/05 01:59 AM

Good luck with the trip - let us know how it turns out.
Funny thing about the food poisoning/parasite risks of travel in exotic places: I spent a total of over 7 1/2 years of my military career in Thailand, and travelled from end-to-end of the country and completely around its borders without EVER ONCE getting caught, gastro-enterologically speaking, and that's in spite of eating God knows what in some of the worst looking greasy chopstick joints imaginable, and messing with my Thai counterparts/advisees, who were always up for a game of 'do you think he'll eat THIS?'. In fact, the only places I've been food poisoned were Army messes (twice) and a local fast-food place recently. The Giardiasis was exceedingly unpleasant (though an EXCELLENT weight-loss program), and could have happened anywhere (though with much better odds when you eat at truck stops along the Grand Trunk Road, apparently - what DOES one say when the waiter brings several glasses of water holding them by inserting a finger or thumb in the mouth of each?).
Travel probably is broadening, in the intellectual sense, but can certainly be physically thinning.
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      #41303 - 12/11/05 03:40 AM

Mike

I spent 21 days in Thailand from the Gulf to the most Northern (and beyond) tip.

Never got sick once.

Then ate British Airlines food and lost it many many times. So bad my Doctor had to give me shots when I got home.

When I said to the stewardess (useless bitches) that I wanted to complain about food poisoning they said it would have to be recorded in the log if I made a formal complaint. They said the log is handed to immigration on arrival and any reports of sickness are reviewed for quaratine ie an indirect threat I might get quarantined for infectious diseases if I complained.

Last time I have flown British Airlines.



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      #41306 - 12/11/05 04:02 AM

Ref: The 'and beyond' bit: my job took me to all the border regions of Thailand - and much of my time was spent in the 'Golden Triangle' areas. In fact, I had a sign over my desk: 'Golden Triangle Tour Service', because most of the 'visiting firemen' from the, errr, home office did not speak Thai, but wanted to go see where the action was - I became the designated stuckee. As you probably noticed, most of the borders are not at all marked, except where the rivers make them obvious. So, while peddling my rented Suzuki Samurai up and down the mountains on the Burma border, for example (and trying hard to maintain my 'nobody here but us tourists' facade), it sometimes happened that I'd end up in the wrong place. E.G. (while standing in the middle of an anonymous cornfield with binoculars and an M16 over my shoulder) "Major Govit, where, exactly IS the border here?" ... 'Oh, about 500 meters THAT way' (pointing in the direction we had just come from). It was, all things considered, GREAT FUN!
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Re: Gun shops / dealers to visit in India [Re: NitroX]
      #41360 - 12/11/05 03:10 PM

I couldnt help but to notice that you guys who have been to india saw some doubles that by the sounds of them were probably inexpensive. I would be interested in trying to obtain one of these if the price was right. Although I would definetly have a good gunsmith look them over before firing them! ANy info on these Indian "diamonds in the rough" would be much appreciated. Thanks.

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Re: Gun shops / dealers to visit in India [Re: 45s_save_lives]
      #41375 - 12/11/05 04:07 PM

It would seem that many rough old doubles have come out this way from India in the past few years.
Many of them might at first have the looks of a diamond in the rough, from time to time though, they're more akin to a boot in cow manure.

With a double rifle, you really need to be careful about what you're getting into, gererations of substandard gunsmithing, rough handling, and humid climate along with the possibility of corrosion from cordite and/or black powder residue can completely screw a double rifle beyond a chance at getting well enough to run again without spending money well beyond what it'd cost to get one that was fit and running right in the first place.

You really do need to know what you're looking at.
You really do need to know what to look for.
Furthurmore, you need to get the thing out and shoot it to see if you're ever going to get it to perform as a double rifle should.

There are a couple of threads going around here currently of used double rifle purchaces gone to hell.
Take a look around and learn from the experience of these folks before you spend any of your money on a used double rifle. You'll stand the chance to save (or loose) a lot of money as well as time and frustration.


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Re: Gun shops / dealers to visit in India [Re: NitroX]
      #41381 - 12/11/05 05:05 PM

NitroX,

I have some information in addition to what I posted on AR. The Curious House have some historical guns listed on their website including old muzzleloaders which would be of historical interest including some double rifles. Please let me know when you would be in Rajasthan and I shall introduce you to Gajendra Singh Parihar, the owner. Curious House manufacture their own bore caliber single and double muzzleloading rifles which I have heard very good reports on from some of the French and Belgian members at AR as well as from some friends in India. These guns are exclusively exported as they have very limited use in India and you may want to have a look at them if you would like a modern muzzleloader from India.

In Delhi, one of the biggest exporters of guns (I think he sells rifles to Westley Richards who seem to have a near permanent presence in India through Walter Clode) is Paramjit Singh Sodhi at M-2 Hauz Khas, New Delhi 110016. I do not have his current phone numbers though I think Lynx has them and I would be grateful if he would post them here. He may not remember me though some years ago I had been in touch with him about shipping some guns for a friend who owns one of the world's largest private collections in Belgium.

In Mumbai there are several gun shops but Rusi Jijina's Bombay Gun House is the best stocked shop for the kinds of guns that you would be interested in. He has some very nice guns from what I hear including a few Purdey double rifles but his prices may be high because he has clients in the USA who go to India to buy from him. In any case, he is a very hospitable man and you would enjoy a chat with him. He has a good selection at most times. Please tell him Hi for me if you meet him. Other shops in Mumbai are small though they do turn our some nice guns once in a while.

Kanpur has the largest number of retailers, 150, I think, and many of them are owned by the Dwarka Arms and Ammunition Co in Bellary, Karnataka. G S Lakshman Yadav who owns Dwarka Arms can be reached on the phone at: +91-8392-73532 or 76279. His fax number is 56301. He is a friend of my family and one of my father's patients. Please feel free to refer my name when you call him from India. He is a close friend of Tarachand Mehta who is probably Westley Richards' biggest supplier of guns from India and could introduce you to people who would be able to help.

You can still find nice guns in India in good condition but you may not have the time to look on a holiday. The Belgian collector whom I told you about found a Borchardt pistol for a throwaway price because it was unusable in India. I have no idea what one in a mint condition would cost in the West today but it cost him the equivalent of INR 100,000 in 1998 or about $ 2100 at today's prices. You may have to haggle - in most business in India you are expected to - and please remember that other than 375 H&H no big bore ammunition is available in India. The rifles that may be on sale have value only to non Indians, not to Indians themselves. The same is true of large bore pistols if you would like to look at those though the recent removal of the ban on private ownership of military calibers has made Indian Ordnance Factory ammunition in 45 ACP etc available and extended the demand for a huge number of 1911 pistols that were sold by the army to retiring servicemen at INR 150 or the princely sum of $ 3.50 or so. But 476 and 577 cal revolvers are still available there and are unusable and if you would like to look at those, enjoy yourself!

Best wishes and I hope you have a great trip. I hope that you get to meet Rustam and Lynx in India when you are there. MHB is right about being cautious about drinking water but bottled water is available and it is safe especially if you buy good brands like Pondicherry or Bisleri. If you eat at good restaurants, you should have no problem whatsoever. One of the best things about visiting different parts of India is the variety of food available there and if you like being adventurous about food, you should not have any problem making food the best part of your trip.

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