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Marc
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For the serious hunter...
      #395762 - 13/01/26 02:16 AM

Gentlemen,
I received this this morning, and I am as happy as a little boy.
Rifled barrel caliber 17,5mm and smooth one 16,5mm
Dated 1866 under the barrels. Maker Firmin, successeur de Caron, arquebusier de l'Empereur, Paris.

For everything that walked, swam or crawled on earth.

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Re: For the serious hunter... [Re: Marc]
      #395768 - 13/01/26 03:33 AM

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Is that a fitting for a bayonet?

Last ditch defence against a wild boar perhaps?

I have French 12-bore "Cape gun" style shotgun. One rifled barrel, one smooth bore.

Is the "Cape gun" style gun common in France? What primarily was it used for? what sort of game?

So your gun is approximately
14b .693 in (17.6 mm) &
17b .649 in (16.5 mm).

You love your muzzleloaders.

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Marc
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Re: For the serious hunter... [Re: NitroX]
      #395769 - 13/01/26 03:45 AM

Yes, it’s for a bayonet!
But it’s not common, a little more maybe towards the German border. But not at all from my home.. it is very recently that the hunters started using rifled weapons.
I think it is either a weapon of venery, or a weapon for the colonies in Africa.
Bombonnel, a very well-known panther hunter, used a Lefaucheux pinfire, Cape-gun style shotgun. He was shooting a mix of bullets and buckshot, with one hundred grains of black powder. It’s rather curious, but it was apparently effective.

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Marc
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Re: For the serious hunter... [Re: Marc]
      #395770 - 13/01/26 04:04 AM

Most often they are rifled, but it’s to further disperse the shot.
With a bayonet, here it's not a rifle to shoot small birds!

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Re: For the serious hunter... [Re: Marc]
      #395773 - 13/01/26 05:04 AM

17.5 mm = .689" 16.5 mm = .650"
14 bore = .693" 16 Bore = .662"

I shoot .682" pure lead balls in my .69cal. Sporting Rifle with a 10 ounce (.021") denim patch.
I also shoot .675" and .662" balls, pure or hardened lead with 14 ounce (.034") denim patches. All patches for hunting patches are lubricated with pure Neetsfoot Oil(not compound) or a "mink oil" lubricant once sold by a store in the USA.
I suggest this SxS gun is a "Cape Gun" meant for both big game and birds. With a cylinder bore (no choke) barrel, there is no possible reason to want to further spread the shot, imho.

BEAUTIFUL GUN by the way. Such incredible shape. Yes, bayonet mount. Saw a picture/tin plate? of some blokes outside a cabin high in the mountains, hunting camp by the looks of it, wherein one of them had a SxS with a bayonet mounted. This picture would have been taken mid 1800's.

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Marc
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Re: For the serious hunter... [Re: DarylS]
      #395774 - 13/01/26 05:22 AM

And here is the most famous user of muzzleloader cape gun!

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Re: For the serious hunter... [Re: Marc]
      #395775 - 13/01/26 06:58 AM

Beautiful Damascus barrels - patina is amazing!
Love to see this range report Marc!

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Re: For the serious hunter... [Re: 93x64mm]
      #395788 - 14/01/26 05:24 AM

DITTO!!

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Re: For the serious hunter... [Re: DarylS]
      #395795 - 14/01/26 08:47 AM

Agree that damascus is seriously nice. Well made gun all round.

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Re: For the serious hunter... [Re: Claydog]
      #395796 - 14/01/26 09:38 AM

Beautiful!

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Marc
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Re: For the serious hunter... [Re: fjrdoc]
      #395798 - 14/01/26 05:33 PM

Unfortunately, the range report will have to wait a little. The hammer needs to be repaired. I will soon bring the rifle to my gunsmith, with the 10 gauge Lefaucheux and the Berleur flintlock.





Edited by Marc (14/01/26 07:53 PM)

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Re: For the serious hunter... [Re: Marc]
      #395830 - 15/01/26 07:23 AM

but this is hopefully a minor welding job

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Re: For the serious hunter... [Re: lancaster]
      #395852 - 16/01/26 04:23 AM

Laser welding I would suggest.
I've high temp silver soldered a new cup on, but not had to repair one just cracked.

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Re: For the serious hunter... [Re: DarylS]
      #395897 - 17/01/26 12:21 PM

You should be as happy as a little boy....at Christmas!! That piece is stunning!!!

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Re: For the serious hunter... [Re: sharps4590]
      #395899 - 17/01/26 03:30 PM

With the two cracks, I'd suggest replacing the entire cup. I repaired a similar hammer (let me re-phrase that: I paid a skilled welder to laser-weld the visible cracks), only to have the crack continue and a piece of the cup to be blown off. I made and fitted a new cup, then had the welder weld it on; it has held up for almost a thousand shots now.

I didn't have to deal with engraving on the hammer; this might be another consideration for Marc. It is a beautiful gun; an unengraved repair would just look "off".

Congrats to Marc, it looks like it would be a great boar-hunting gun!

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