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CM76
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P Orr & Sons retailed double rifles
      #394630 - 30/11/25 05:22 PM

I have managed to pick up a P Orr & Sons marked BLE double rifle in 470 NE. I am aware that P Orr & Sons was a retailer, and not a manufacturer of firearms. I have come across a similarly marked P Orr & sons 577 NE DR via a web search which was manufactured by John Harper out of Birmingham.
Is anyone familiar with these rifles? Did other manufacturers supply P Orr & Sons with double rifles apart from John Harper?

Thanks, Chris

[image]IMG_1418 by Chris Mulholland, on Flickr[/image]

[image]7d1fad27-699a-469e-a348-74b0d9f5705f by Chris Mulholland, on Flickr[/image]

[image]fde4b341-19f6-489b-90fd-c78b3c97d1ef by Chris Mulholland, on Flickr[/image]

[image]2c1fbe8c-46df-44ea-a5ae-43bd62e96f14 by Chris Mulholland, on Flickr[/image]

Edited by CM76 (30/11/25 05:31 PM)

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Re: P Orr & Sons retailed double rifles [Re: CM76]
      #394634 - 30/11/25 05:46 PM

Can’t help I am afraid but a very nice rifle especially in 470. Be interested to see if anyone has some information on them.

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Re: P Orr & Sons retailed double rifles [Re: Claydog]
      #394649 - 30/11/25 08:54 PM

Not much help. But the engraving looks quite a lot like engraving on some Jeffery double rides ?

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Re: P Orr & Sons retailed double rifles [Re: NitroX]
      #394660 - 01/12/25 07:21 AM

In the dog house again Chris????
Lovely piece of kit again to put under the Christmas tree, I hope it came with a case!
Range report before the big day or in the new year?

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Re: P Orr & Sons retailed double rifles [Re: 93x64mm]
      #394663 - 01/12/25 09:01 AM

From what I have seen on an internet search P Orr and Sons retailed many makers inlcuding Winchester, Westly Richards, Cogswell and Harrison, Holloway and Webley & Scott. They retailed all sorts of things. Alot od watches.

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Re: P Orr & Sons retailed double rifles [Re: Claydog]
      #394666 - 01/12/25 10:51 AM

What Clay said! ...and then some!
Peter Orr is a namesake and relative of mine, from another branch of the Orr family tree.
His premises in Madras (now Chennai) complete with clock tower, still exists albeit minus a bit off the rear of the building for a railway station entrance.
Peter Orr was a genuine entrepreneur during the Raj, manufacturing and/or selling ice, firearms, jewellery, silverware, punkahs, anything he could specialize in and make a few rupees. Even had his own record label!
He quickly became the official jeweler and silversmith to several Maharajas, and to the King of Burma after setting up a branch in Rangoon (now Yangon).
When the Prince of Wales visited India in 1876, he was presented with a large silver ewer hallmarked P.Orr, and the firm was immediately appointed silversmiths to the Prince by royal warrant.
There's a long history of such things, and the gun-making (retailing) by P. Orr & Sons is of great interest.

I currently own a Nitro Paradox called "The Oranson", made by G&S Holloway for P. Orr & Sons around a hundred years ago.

A search of these forums should turn up quite a bit of discussion on this maker/retailer, including gun-case trade labels, and the Oranson paradox currently in my custody.

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Re: P Orr & Sons retailed double rifles [Re: CM76]
      #394668 - 01/12/25 04:27 PM

Thanks Gentlemen.
Here are some pics of the John Harper built 577NE that was retailed by Peter Orr & Sons.

[image]John-Harper-P-Orr-and-Sons-B-L-N-E-Double-Rifle-577-3inch-N-E_102012247_12059_23D42A8E27A38F3C by Chris Mulholland, on Flickr[/image]

[image]John-Harper-P-Orr-and-Sons-B-L-N-E-Double-Rifle-577-3inch-N-E_102012247_12059_70BCD1BA5F9A83E8 by Chris Mulholland, on Flickr[/image]

The rifle has similar engraving to that of mine, with the scroll work and basic game scenes. As John pointed out, Jeffery retailed double rifles with similar engraving styles.

Chris

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Re: P Orr & Sons retailed double rifles [Re: Marrakai]
      #394669 - 01/12/25 04:40 PM

Quote:

What Clay said! ...and then some!
Peter Orr is a namesake and relative of mine, from another branch of the Orr family tree.
His premises in Madras (now Chennai) complete with clock tower, still exists albeit minus a bit off the rear of the building for a railway station entrance.
Peter Orr was a genuine entrepreneur during the Raj, manufacturing and/or selling ice, firearms, jewellery, silverware, punkahs, anything he could specialize in and make a few rupees. Even had his own record label!
He quickly became the official jeweler and silversmith to several Maharajas, and to the King of Burma after setting up a branch in Rangoon (now Yangon).
When the Prince of Wales visited India in 1876, he was presented with a large silver ewer hallmarked P.Orr, and the firm was immediately appointed silversmiths to the Prince by royal warrant.
There's a long history of such things, and the gun-making (retailing) by P. Orr & Sons is of great interest.

I currently own a Nitro Paradox called "The Oranson", made by G&S Holloway for P. Orr & Sons around a hundred years ago.

A search of these forums should turn up quite a bit of discussion on this maker/retailer, including gun-case trade labels, and the Oranson paradox currently in my custody.



Thanks Marrakai, some good insight into the company.
I also looked up your Paradox - a lovely piece indeed, and the paperwork that accompanies it is something special.

Chris

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