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casper50
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Does the barrel to fence look right to you?
      #394592 - 29/11/25 02:27 AM

suppose to be a Cogswell & Harrison The Victor No. 2 Double Rifle

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Re: Does the barrel to fence look right to you? [Re: casper50]
      #394593 - 29/11/25 03:09 AM

With my limited experience compared to others here, they look a bit short in heigth, how are the firing pin holes in the standing breech compared to the center of the barrels/cartridge base?

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Re: Does the barrel to fence look right to you? [Re: 450_EXPRESS]
      #394594 - 29/11/25 03:40 AM

Don't know. Going off of auction photos

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Re: Does the barrel to fence look right to you? [Re: casper50]
      #394595 - 29/11/25 04:51 AM

Appears smaller "gauge" barrels fittedto the action. Rather obvious, I thought.
Who did it and why, unknown.

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Re: Does the barrel to fence look right to you? [Re: DarylS]
      #394601 - 29/11/25 06:38 AM

Ugly.

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Re: Does the barrel to fence look right to you? [Re: NitroX]
      #394602 - 29/11/25 07:03 AM

Certainly looks....just wrong!

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Re: Does the barrel to fence look right to you? [Re: 93x64mm]
      #394608 - 29/11/25 06:28 PM

It's not the first Scott-built vintage hammerless double rifle I've seen with the barrels fitted to the standing breech in that manner.

Came damn close to buying a crystal-indicator sidelock Climax black-powder double rifle that looked a lot like this one many years ago.
It was definitely made that way.

Having said that, this one is a bit "over the top"...

Recent deep gouges in the top of the right barrel are most unfortunate.

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Re: Does the barrel to fence look right to you? [Re: Marrakai]
      #394610 - 29/11/25 09:17 PM

Casper50, No to answer the question, pretty much the same as others have said.
If you are watching the auction I would be curious to know what it does sell for if you find out.
Frankly it looks like a parts gun although, of course, I don't know that the parts themselves have any value.
Unless you had a new set of barrels built for it which would be a costly endeavor, as you well know.

Edited by LRF (29/11/25 09:21 PM)

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Re: Does the barrel to fence look right to you? [Re: LRF]
      #394619 - 30/11/25 04:31 AM

I doubt that the barrels came off of another gun. I've been looking hard at the dollshead area trying to come up with a way that orphan barrels could have been fitted. The fitting of the dollshead would not be possible as the barrel's dollshead would have been way below the height of the action's slot. The serial numbers match but that could be done after the fact.

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Re: Does the barrel to fence look right to you? [Re: casper50]
      #394621 - 30/11/25 07:27 AM

I see what you mean by the straight sided rib extension, not really a doll's head.

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Re: Does the barrel to fence look right to you? [Re: DarylS]
      #394627 - 30/11/25 01:24 PM

Correct I just didn't go back and take a look. I should have with my short term memory. Lol

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Re: Does the barrel to fence look right to you? [Re: casper50]
      #394665 - 01/12/25 10:21 AM

I also don't appreciate that look. FWIW, I know this question has been asked before, so either this rifle is circling around, or there's at least one other instance of this mating of smaller barrels to a larger breach face. I don't know if that question was asked here, or on another site that specializes in doubles.

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Re: Does the barrel to fence look right to you? [Re: CJF]
      #394670 - 01/12/25 04:42 PM

When I spoke to Rolf Babick, who made Tony's and now Mick's "Fat Lady". A .577 2 1/2" LNE on a Greener Empire shotgun. Because of the size of the action, the choice of cartridge chambering is limited. Unless one wants some huge thick barrels. So the .577 cartridge was chosen. For a double rifle and a cape gun version.

If choosing a smaller cartridge, and lesser barrels than the action was designed for, such a result as the pictured DR might result. The raised or extended rib and dolls head is obviously required to lock up the closed action.

I think it's pretty obvious that these are a later set of barrels. Either an additional pair of rifle barrels maybe to 12-bore shotgun barrels. Or maybe a replacement set of barrels, maybe to replace a original set of barrels.

I said it looked ugly but if it's usable and safe, at reasonable price, it's not so bad that one couldn't own and use it.

What cartridge chambering is it?

I note it's got Damascus barrels. So is it BPE?

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