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Michael Fell PH on the .458 Winchester Magnum
      #394192 - 04/11/25 05:35 PM

Michael Fell PH on the .458 Winchester Magnum

The .458 Winchester Magnum in Africa: A Professional Hunter's Perspective
Pictured is my “old-faithful” double rifle- Lebeau-Courally Best side-lock in .458 win. This rifle is my primary weapon for all of my pachyderm hunts. I am fully confident in its reliability, as it offers a combination of speed, handling, and minimal recoil, ensuring exceptional accuracy.

From a professional hunter's perspective, the .458 Winchester Magnum is a proven cartridge for dangerous game in Africa, particularly Cape buffalo and elephants, but its reputation has been shaped by its historical context. Initially designed to match the performance of older British cartridges like the .450 Nitro Express, its main advantages were being the first US-made .458 caliber cartridge and being chambered in popular American rifles like the Model 70. Professional hunters frequently used it as a backup rifle, but its early versions faced issues with powder capacity and bullet seating due to hot temperatures, which were later addressed with improved powders and bullet technology.

The 458 Winchester Magnum cartridge, one of the few large-bore options available in American-made rifles and ammunition, has become a practical and accessible choice for many hunters. Advancements in bullet design, such as the introduction of flat-nose solids and improved powders, have significantly enhanced the cartridge’s performance. These improvements enable the cartridge to achieve better penetration and velocities compared to earlier versions.

458-diameter bullets, when properly constructed, possess formidable capabilities. For instance, I am particularly fond of the Buffalo Bore 450-grain flat-nose monolithic solids, designed to penetrate through substantial muscle and bone in any animal without expanding or altering its shape.

While I do not favor the under-stabilization of 500-grain bullets in the 458 Winchester Magnum, I believe that the 450-grain bullet was the intended design for the cartridge. When using 500-grain solids, the bullet often fails to maintain a straight trajectory in medium-sized targets, such as flesh and bone, due to the 1-14 twist not providing sufficient stabilization for such a heavy and long bullet. In contrast, the 450-grain bullet was originally designed to address this issue. A 450-grain bullet with a properly designed nose can effectively penetrate and track straightly through any dangerous African animal, and the flat-nose design ensures that the bullet penetrates deeply and maintains a straight trajectory.

Generally, a straight-tracking 450-grain solid bullet will significantly out-penetrate a 500-grain solid bullet that deviates from its intended path within the animal. Hunters who utilize the 458 Winchester Magnum have observed that, all other factors being equal, 450-grain bullets tend to penetrate deeper.

The 450-grain bullet is undoubtedly more compatible with the case of the 458 Winchester Magnum cartridge, particularly in terms of powder capacity. Many reloaders exploit this advantage to achieve a well-balanced performance from this controversial cartridge. A 450-grain FMJ or monolithic bullet caliber .458 Winchester Magnum is sufficient for elephant hunting.

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Re: Michael Fell PH on the .458 Winchester Magnum [Re: NitroX]
      #394194 - 05/11/25 03:12 AM

John, Thanks for posting. Very interesting article by an experienced hunter.

I didn't know that the twist rate was 1/14". Seems like if there were complaints, that the twist would have been changed to 1/12".

I read that the early 458W used a softer solid that failed and Winchester changed that bullet design so the later bullets didn't fail.

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Re: Michael Fell PH on the .458 Winchester Magnum [Re: 85lc]
      #394195 - 05/11/25 03:53 AM

Can't help but feel the lack of straight penetration being likely due to poorer constructed solids rather than the 14",and 15" ROTs normal for the calibre these days.
Seems to me the 9.3's having 14"ROTs shoot SD bullets of over .300 just fine.
Now, with the older normal slower twists in .458 cal. of 18" to 22", I can understand where a faster twist (14" or 15") might be advisable, but not faster than that in such a larger calibre.

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Re: Michael Fell PH on the .458 Winchester Magnum [Re: DarylS]
      #394196 - 05/11/25 06:47 AM

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Can't help but feel the lack of straight penetration being likely due to poorer constructed solids rather than the 14",and 15" ROTs normal for the calibre these days.
Seems to me the 9.3's having 14"ROTs shoot SD bullets of over .300 just fine.
Now, with the older normal slower twists in .458 cal. of 18" to 22", I can understand where a faster twist (14" or 15") might be advisable, but not faster than that in duchess a larger calibre.




I had the same view Daryl!
If stability was an issue then the bullets themselves would be keyholing in regards to barrel twist rate. It has been a known issue since dot that Taylor brought up of solids fishtailing & going off course - this is a bullet construction issue only!
Yes monolithics are longer due to their lower sectional density, however due to they physical construction they have a better penetration ability - well those like the Woodleighs anyway!
The buffalo bore monos I have no experience with, but i have no doubt are certainly up to the job, they should be designed to SAAMI specs, so they should get a bit more velocity being lighter than nominal 500gn pills the .458WM uses, new powders since 1956 have helped in this regard to get it closer to the old 450 Nitro.
Not sure if these buffalo bore bullets are full groove sized projectiles or they have driving bands?
As far as running these in ANY double, I wouldn't use any monos without driving bands to potentially avoid any overloading of the action!
Nice Elle in the post, & if I'm not mistaken I saw a Woodleigh Hydro dressed up in one of the nickel cases!


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Re: Michael Fell PH on the .458 Winchester Magnum [Re: 93x64mm]
      #394202 - 05/11/25 05:42 PM

Good point on driving bands only for monometal bullets.

Sectional Density is derived from weight and calibre or frontal surface pir X radius squared and weight. The length of the projectile is irrelevant. It is relevant to ballistic coefficient.

I would probably shoot Woodleigh FMJ and Weldcore SPs or RN, of 480 grs in the .458 Win Mag if any 500 gr wasn't fast enough. The 480 gr was designed for NE velocities which the .458 Win Mag struggles even to obtain.

In the old netexpert debates on the .45/70, lever actions and cape buffalo hunting, when a raffle was suggested for a cape buffalo hunt where one had to use a .45/70 lever gun, all the fools could only think of was using the crappy way to slow 540 gr hard cast flat point bullets. Where they were promoted as "the slower they go, the more effective they penetrate", ha ha ha ha. Only because they break up if pushed too fast.

My solution would have been a 450 gr Barnes X or maybe one of they 450 gr monos. If a pointed bullet, one in the chamber, only one in the magazine. Perhaps flat point monis will now be safe in a magazine? Making the moronic .45/70 lever action arm chair aficionados happy.

Btw I know a .45/70 lever action can kill an elephant. I was in Zimbabwe in the Matetsi area when an American hunter tried skull shooting his down elephant bull with heavier lead projectiles to see how well they penetrated.

I have no doubt the 450 gr Monos would well work well enough in a .458 Win Mag for buffalo and elephant. Whether these bullets have raised driving bands is a question? And whether they will regulate is another question? Michael did not answer my question on the latter.

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Re: Michael Fell PH on the .458 Winchester Magnum [Re: NitroX]
      #394203 - 05/11/25 05:46 PM

That's both a very nice pair of double rifles and a very good elephant tusker. Congratulationss to Michael and maybe his client.

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Re: Michael Fell PH on the .458 Winchester Magnum [Re: 93x64mm]
      #394204 - 05/11/25 06:36 PM

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Not sure if these buffalo bore bullets are full groove sized projectiles or they have driving bands?
As far as running these in ANY double, I wouldn't use any monos without driving bands to potentially avoid any overloading of the action!




I looked at the website. No description, photos of the projectiles, or supplier information as to bands or grooves.

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