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Buffalo goring
      #394120 - 01/11/25 08:39 PM

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/1Fa6uuHnZB/
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Buffalo goring. Broken rifle.

Very few walk away from a buffalo goring; Johan is one of those few.

“At one stage, he moved over a patch of loose rocks, shale-like, and Freddie, my lead tracker, lost his tracks. Combined with this, Chris, the videographer, informed me his camera was overheating because of constant use, expecting action! Freddie, about 50 m away, speculated that the buffalo had already left my hunting block, seeing that we were only about 800 m from the boundary.

I situated the two clients and Chris under a lone shepherd’s tree, with only sparse shade available, and decided to go and help the trackers figure out where the bull went. The trackers were circling around the stony area from the right, and I decided to come around from the left, a small area.

Before I could join them, the buffalo made a determined charge at the trackers, expecting me to be with the clients, and that’s where they ran. Now, the buffalo was charging straight at the clients, coming across my front from left to right. My first shot with my .470 NE hit him on his right shoulder from about 10 yards, but there was no reaction—just maybe a bit more determination! Still charging the clients, as he was about to pass me 3-4 m away, I shot him through the boss, attempting a side brain shot, which got his attention! It stopped him in his tracks, but he wasn’t down.

I realized I needed some space; he was too close, and I had to reload. I backed away around some thick mopani scrub, keeping an eye on the bull that was now zeroed in on me. As I was reloading, I distinctly remember bringing my gun up and pulling the front trigger, but it was solid! The next moment, I found myself in a right-side fetal position with a buffalo bull straddling me, determined to grind me down.

Fortunately, my client kept his cool, and when he got the opportunity, he shot the bull in the spine. I was able to get out from under him.
I feel so very blessed to be alive”
~@johanhermannsafaris
@jongosimedia

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Re: Buffalo goring [Re: NitroX]
      #394122 - 01/11/25 09:33 PM

Oh my, blessed may not be enough of an expression for that..... Good chance the PH tipped the client on this hunt.

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Re: Buffalo goring [Re: LRF]
      #394124 - 01/11/25 11:16 PM

Read the comments. Quite an event.Lucky result. A trophy with a story no matter horn size or damage to the bosses.

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Re: Buffalo goring [Re: NitroX]
      #394128 - 02/11/25 04:05 AM

John, Thanks for posting.

What a great article. So very fortunate that it turned out as it did. Great to have a client that had the composure to kill the bull without shooting Johan or freezing.

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Re: Buffalo goring [Re: 85lc]
      #394129 - 02/11/25 04:34 AM

Lucky to have a client with his wits about him.

My buddy Igor and client were charged by a grizzly that was uphill of them. Igor got 3 shots into the bear and his old Mauser had spit out the last round when he ejected the 3rd. empty.
That 3rd. shot turned the bear and rolled him the he got to growling and biting off all the little trees and scrub within reach. He'd been spined by the 3rd. shot, but not dead.
Igor tried to get the client's rifle from him, as the client stood looking at the growling bear and ejected all the rounds out of his 7 Rem. Mag. Igor finally got the rifle from him, picked up one of the ejected rounds, chambered it and approached the bear, which had expired in the mean time.
Upon questioning the client, the client said he thought he was shooting the bear.
That was the last time he packed the old "light" 8mm mauser. His load was a good one, though, 225gr. SPEER RN @2,400fps.
It was also the last time he carried only 1 magazine of ammo.

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Re: Buffalo goring [Re: DarylS]
      #394132 - 02/11/25 06:37 AM

Wow, one very lucky bloke indeed!

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Re: Buffalo goring [Re: 93x64mm]
      #394134 - 02/11/25 07:12 AM

Daryl,

That is an very interesting story about your buddy Igor. I would think that a 8mm Mauser shooting a heavy 225 gr bullet at a modest speed of 2,400 fps would be very effective - it should have great penetration which is needed.

Your comments about Igor's client choking is similar to other stories I have read about people responding poorly when highly stressed resulting with the PH being hurt/killed.

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Re: Buffalo goring [Re: 85lc]
      #394135 - 02/11/25 10:16 AM

Igor was lucky to have likely clipped the spine of the bear as it was very close at the last shot, inside 15 yards. It turned away, then dropped rolling around. They were on a mountainside trail in 6' to 10' high alder bush.
I would suggest the 8mm with that load would be a very good bear hunting load, same as an '06 with similar loads, but a stopping load, not my choice. Seems to me, he went back to packing his Sako in .375 H&H.
I think a 9.3x62 or 64 would make a good back-up rifle for this country.
My bro did OK with his .356 Winchester & I packed a .458 2" & .458 Alaskan (my own Wildcat).

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Re: Buffalo goring [Re: DarylS]
      #394139 - 02/11/25 02:00 PM

Quote:


That was the last time he packed the old "light" 8mm mauser. His load was a good one, though, 225gr. SPEER RN @2,400fps.
It was also the last time he carried only 1 magazine of ammo.




Sounds like he finally got some sense. 3 cartridges in 8mm? As a guide backup? No way.

I haven't hunted bear. But have stood in front of taxidermied browns. And seen them in Romania. As a GUIDE more cartridges and something bigger, YES. The .375 sounds a good idea.

The client sounds like he should practice more than shooting paper off a bench.

I harp on on about of farcebook about learning and practicing to rechamber cartridges at the shoulder. Not at the waist or dropping the rifle down. The South Africa PH courses stupidly train prospective PHs at their "weekend expert" courses to drop a rifle down to the waist to work the bolt. So the squinty manlybeyed expert PH can "peer around".

Really it's teaching them to domit an easy way rather than the proper rifleman way

And many reloaders are obsessed with finding ejected brass. Rather than having good rifleman skills especially with dangerous game.

Practice and positive strong movement of the bolt will also be a benefit from field shoulder practice.

Practising shooting a target, targets, a running target, live animals, from the shoulder, no sticks, might mean less anxiety, and actually firing the rifle.

A bear crashing down a scrubby mountain side at you definitely sounds like a stressful time for anyone. But exciting and a great memory afterwards if one survives and does what's needed.

One might not know how one reacts in an emergency. Certainly adrenaline, anxiety, sudden stress affects ones normal behaviour. Having been a skydiver, hunting buffalo and elephant intent on killing me,I have some assurance I won't panic. Of course one can make mistakes still. A lot depends on one's mental state at the time as well.

Thanks for the story Daryl. Always enjoyable to think through scenarios. When one can't currently experience them.

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Re: Buffalo goring [Re: DarylS]
      #394140 - 02/11/25 02:13 PM

Quote:

he went back to packing his Sako in .375 H&H.
I think a 9.3x62 or 64 would make a good back-up rifle for this country.
My bro did OK with his .356 Winchester & I packed a .458 2" & .458 Alaskan (my own Wildcat).




Sounds good.

Back to the buffalo, the guy obviously wasn't gored. That was part of the description.

Being under a buffalo attempting to "grind" you,\ very exciting. It broke the rifle.

The client being able to take a shot, spine the buffalo, with one shot, and not shoot the pH underneath, either a cool head and good shooting, or luck. I think the first and some of the latter.

These videos are both entertaining and instructive.

I think this buffalo charge was an unwounded mostly not harassed bull. Unusual for a buffalo to charge unfounded in harassed.

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Re: Buffalo goring [Re: NitroX]
      #394153 - 03/11/25 02:21 AM

The Mauser had 4 rounds in the magazine. IIRC, it didn't feed if 5 were in it.
As it was, the 4th round bounced out of the mag. when he ejected the 3rd round fired at the bear.
Mistakes were made, yes.

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