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1" Nordenfelt
#393721 - 10/10/25 03:53 AM

looks like a 4 ga rifle cartridge but isn't and you wonder how it would perform on elephant in a rifle

here with family and friends

4 ga plastik shell, 1" Nordenfelt, 26,5 mm signal flare and 14,5x114 russian

the Nordenfelt have a 30,28 mm rim, 2,21 mm thick, base 27,20mm, mouth 26,16 mm and 96,66 mm long so no real 4 ".
maximum for the 4 ga is 30,45 mm rim, 3,25 mm thick, base 27,60, mouth 26,20 mm so yes the round will maybe fit into the chamber of a 4 ga. don't hope to find brass for loading ammo for a 4 ga, they are rare like hen's ivory

DWM Karlruhe made

steel bullet weight 205 gramm not grains, having a strange hollow base

another one in the net, loaded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbAdnUHoFH0

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Re: 1" Nordenfelt [Re: lancaster]
#393740 - 11/10/25 03:55 AM

Interesting bullet/ctg. 3,164gr. weight at 205 grams. Appears to have a guilding metal jacket but a steel core or at least a steel nose.

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Re: 1" Nordenfelt [Re: DarylS]
#393741 - 11/10/25 05:01 AM

its a lathe turned steel core with a brass jacket that was used mostly against smaller boats in the navy. imho, there must be a thin layer of lead between the jacket and the steel core because brass on steel will be to hard for the rifling.
the cartridge was also used for "barrel inserts" in big cannons for target pratice.

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Re: 1" Nordenfelt [Re: lancaster]
#393756 - 11/10/25 08:39 AM

Thank you. Interesting usage.
I agree about the lead, however perhaps the brass was thick enough to engrave without too much pressure against the steel.

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Re: 1" Nordenfelt [Re: DarylS]
#393758 - 11/10/25 09:32 AM

I suspect that the 1" Nordenfelt would have a more than mild kick

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Re: 1" Nordenfelt [Re: 85lc]
#393765 - 11/10/25 02:53 PM

Judging by the Rolls Royce Potentate thread, some Indian Rajahs used light cannon against elephant.

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Re: 1" Nordenfelt [Re: NitroX]
#393798 - 12/10/25 09:47 PM

if so the 1" Nordenfelt would have been a good choice

I have read a story from 18. century indonesia when the local king made some kind of "bullfight" with water bufalos, elephant and even one rhino and they use a small muzzle loader canon.

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Re: 1" Nordenfelt [Re: lancaster]
#393992 - 23/10/25 02:48 AM

I have picked up several of these cartridges from underwater, being close to a Royal Naval base

The two on the left are anti torpedo boat and quite rare, the others are from sub calibre aiming tubes, although with the number found could have been used as practice ammo??

The 1883 date is most common, mark 2 Note the electrical firing primer on the other one Made at KN (Kings Norton) factory in Birmingham

The lead heads are common underwater around here

No worries about recoil, competitor to the Gatling and others, it fired 4 (or whatever number of barrels they had, 1 - 2 or 4 being the usual) firing was by recking the lever back and forth
No wonder Maxim replaced them all quite quickly

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Re: 1" Nordenfelt [Re: TH44]
#394000 - 23/10/25 08:53 AM

Did they load from the box over the barrels? I originally thought it would have made aiming hard but noticed sights either side for left or right eyed dominant shooters.

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Re: 1" Nordenfelt [Re: Claydog]
#394009 - 23/10/25 12:43 PM

Cool gun.

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TH44
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Re: 1" Nordenfelt [Re: Claydog]
#394014 - 24/10/25 04:07 AM

Claydog - these pics may help

This is the 1" gun

They were made in .577/450 also bet the action was the same
These 2 photos are from "Death Rattle - The British Soldiers Machine Gun 1870 - 2015 by John Hutchins who owns the Kings Shilling dealers at Bisley UK
It is VERY good indeed, especially on these early guns

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Re: 1" Nordenfelt [Re: TH44]
#394021 - 24/10/25 08:52 AM

Would love to have a look over one of those. So cool. Thanks for those photos.

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