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mckinney
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Charlie Kirk murder weapon
      #393403 - 14/09/25 12:40 AM

Sorry to raise this ugly topic, and I won't get into the politics, but this is a gun forum.

The weapon has been described as a Mauser 98 in .30-06. The words "older" and "imported" have also been mentioned, and apparently the suspected killer believed the fact that it was not an ordinary rifle was in his favor. The rifle was apparently scoped.

An older, imported Mauser 98 in .30-06 could be anything from an original Mauser sporter (A, B, M) to a European bolt gun in that caliber built on the 98 action (military or commercial). It could also be an American custom creation. As far as I know there are no military bolt action rifles chambered in .30-06 other than the 1903 Springfield.

Any thoughts on this?

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Re: Charlie Kirk murder weapon [Re: mckinney]
      #393404 - 14/09/25 01:07 AM

Back in about 1973 or 1974, I gave my brother a Model98 in .30/06 for his birthday.
I recall that it had a laminated military stock, bent bolt(not cut and re-welded) and normal iron sights and a "stepped" barrel. I assume i had purchased it from Allen Lever's, "Lever Arms" in Vancouver. That's store always had interesting stock. I.believe I paid somewhere under $100.00 for it. He had a "barrel" full of them.
Taylor used it with 150gr. factory loads on the small island deer on Graham Island of the now called Haida Gwaii.
The "Islands" were called Queen Charlott Islands.
He said that rifle was the "Hammer of Thor".
Quite obviously, it must have been re-barreled military rifle, however it's appearance did not make that obvious.

Rest in Peace, Charlie. You are already missed.

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Re: Charlie Kirk murder weapon [Re: DarylS]
      #393405 - 14/09/25 01:22 AM

My Colombian M98 barrelled action has a stepped .30-06 barrel. Probably rebarrelled at FN.

No problem opening a thread on the politics forum, on the assassination of Charlie Kirk. A great advocate for the First and Second Amendments. Advocated for free speech, peaceful debate, Christian values, not violence. The fact many on the left have cheered his assassination shows how vile and degenerate they have become.

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Re: Charlie Kirk murder weapon [Re: DarylS]
      #393406 - 14/09/25 01:23 AM


There are also questions about the bullet as the choice for .30-06 is very wide.

I haven't heard whether they've recovered the bullet that killed Charlie. They'll need that to tie the rifle to the crime and the bullet will need to be in halfway decent shape.

Also, questions about how he concealed the gun. In the 'limping' video he appears to be holding the buttstock with his right hand to keep it from flopping around. That would make the rifle maybe 42" long, which seems about right. But where was the rifle when he jumped off the roof?

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Re: Charlie Kirk murder weapon [Re: mckinney]
      #393413 - 14/09/25 10:20 PM

Quote:

Sorry to raise this ugly topic, and I won't get into the politics, but this is a gun forum.

An older, imported Mauser 98 in .30-06 could be anything from an original Mauser sporter (A, B, M) to a European bolt gun in that caliber built on the 98 action (military or commercial). It could also be an American custom creation. As far as I know there are no military bolt action rifles chambered in .30-06 other than the 1903 Springfield.

Any thoughts on this?



I have a Brazilian Mod 954 made by Itajuba chambered in 30 06 ,there were also quite a few countries who rebarreled their older service rifles into 30 06 in the 50's.

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Re: Charlie Kirk murder weapon [Re: darwinmauser]
      #393478 - 19/09/25 08:41 AM


As far as I know, the FBI has not released photos of the rifle. However, there are photos going around online of a fiberglass/technical stocked rifle built on a Mauser military action, no doubt a conversion of something else. The rifle has a large scope.

Let's see if those photos hold up.

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Re: Charlie Kirk murder weapon [Re: mckinney]
      #393532 - 29/09/25 03:54 PM

There have been reports in the media that the bullet didn't exit, so it has probably been recovered. If that is the case, it may not be possible to get a ballistics match due to deformation. They can likely get a match of the fired case to the rifle, based on extractor and firing pin markings.

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Re: Charlie Kirk murder weapon [Re: Jim_C]
      #393533 - 29/09/25 07:43 PM

To me it could not have been a 30-06. At 200 yards it would have made one hell of a mess of his neck and would go straight through.

Plenty of other Videos of the incident have come to light. what you believe from them is up to you. To me the cartridge was not a 30-06 and the 22-year-old they have and who confessed is not the shooter.

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Re: Charlie Kirk murder weapon [Re: Rule303]
      #393542 - 30/09/25 01:16 AM

I believe you are right, Rule303. A .30/06 was NOT used, I firmly believe. That rifle with the DNA was a plant.
There were two others in the crowd who also confessed they were the shooters.
Those were the first two grabbed, then released. Video showed them to be lying. Giving false information to a peace officer is unlawful here in Canada.

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Re: Charlie Kirk murder weapon [Re: DarylS]
      #393546 - 30/09/25 08:02 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY-FREo1JMM Joe Rogans take which I found amusing, apart from his take on how accurate old rifles are.

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Re: Charlie Kirk murder weapon [Re: darwinmauser]
      #393552 - 30/09/25 04:02 PM

Quote:

Quote:

Sorry to raise this ugly topic, and I won't get into the politics, but this is a gun forum.

An older, imported Mauser 98 in .30-06 could be anything from an original Mauser sporter (A, B, M) to a European bolt gun in that caliber built on the 98 action (military or commercial). It could also be an American custom creation. As far as I know there are no military bolt action rifles chambered in .30-06 other than the 1903 Springfield.

Any thoughts on this?



I have a Brazilian Mod 954 made by Itajuba chambered in 30 06 ,there were also quite a few countries who rebarreled their older service rifles into 30 06 in the 50's.



Columbian 7mm short rifles made by FN were converted to .30-06. This was done to simplify ammunition supply when Columbia acquired a quantity of US M1 .30-06 rifles following WWII. Similarly so were many Peruvian Model 1935 7.65mm short rifles when Peru also obtained a quantity of US M1 .30-06 rifles and wanted to standardize on cal. 30-06 for its army. The Peruvian Model 1935 rifle also has a reversed safety where the safety is disengaged when to the right unlike the normal Mauser 98 which disengages to the left.

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Re: Charlie Kirk murder weapon [Re: eagle27]
      #393558 - 30/09/25 11:03 PM

My project rifle at college was to use a Columbian 98 in .30-06 to build a .338/06 Ackley. I have taken a lot of game with this rifle.

Something that has passed by the media, thank goodness, is at the start of the 20th century, the 98 Mauser was the latest and greatest new military assault rifle...

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Re: Charlie Kirk murder weapon [Re: DoubleD]
      #393559 - 01/10/25 02:15 AM

As per Rogan's pod-cast.
Every late spring we have a Heritage Day at the R&G club here in PG.
One year, I was on the rifle line with my gopher gun and a .375 for those wanting to shoot that.
For $5.00, guests there, mothers, fathers and kids & young adults as well as old, all non-shooters, for each $5.00 of tickets, get to fire 5 rounds from a gun, ranging from shotguns on the trap range, to handguns in the handgun shed, small bore RF silhouette on that range and rifles on the rifle range.
I had a 12 year old kid and his 13 year old sister who had never fired a .22LR, let alone a CF rifle ask to shoot the little gun.
They shot my CZ .22 Hornet, with 40gr. HP's at 3,340fps.
With a wee bit of instruction, the young lad hit a 3" x 4" steel plate at 220 meters or 240.6 yards. Yes, they used a bench rest. The lad hit that little plate 5 for 5. His sister hit it 4 out of 5. Their father hit it 3 times, "I know how to shoot". He had listened to the kid's instruction. The mother didn't want to shoot.

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