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lancaster
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next dandy airgun
      #390383 - 13/03/25 11:56 PM

a friend was selling his bügelspanner and this was offered me to be a 4,5mm or .17 caliber.
thought its fine because I have a lot of 4,5 mm pellets and so bought it but the 4,5 mm pellet fall through. it ends to be a 5,0 mm airgun, take it anyway. I have seen maybe 3 airgun of this maker, all the same.
we know its not made by Will http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=351200&an=0&page=1#Post351200 or Manteufel https://forum.vintageairgunsgallery.com/reinhold-manteuffel-co/manteuffel-1936-catalogue/
in Zehla Mehlis.
It was maybe another small firm in Zella Mehlis in the 1920s making this one.




it was build as a airgun for shooting gallerys. the gun was never blued, the action like usuals nickel plated but the barrel white and it looks like laquered agaist rust. most of the nickel and lacquer was gone and there was rust here and there. I checked the barrel carefull for traces of blueing but nothing. maybe it was made this way to safe money in the not so golden 1920s.the sights had a rest of black colour but his could be made later, I blued the sights now. clean the gun and laquered it, the wood get linseed oil
















you see the rest of the nickel plating here and there







not anyone having a 5,0 mm airgun




its not the quality of my prewar Oskar Will but this a class of its own anyway





4,5mm, 5,0mm, 5,5mm, 6,35mm, 7,62mm



the H&N pellet unsized



the H&N pellet sized in the barel before to 5,03 mm
better but not good



the JSB pellet unsized



the JSB and the Händler&Natermann pellet



we know that this smooth bore airguns shooting better with the original spitzer bullet than modern pellets. with pellets you have allways some flying in strange directions.




the bore here is 5,03 mm, the H&N pellet measure on the head 4,91 mm, on the hollow base 5,24. the JSB pellet measure 5,04 on the head and 5,25mm on the base and this is maybe the reason it shoots much better. the head of the H&N pellet is much undersized in the barrel, looks also like some of the pellets make keyholes.
have to made a 5,03 mm sizing die, oversized pellets eat up to 20 feet a second from velocity because of higher friction.

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Re: next dandy airgun [Re: lancaster]
      #390387 - 14/03/25 02:41 AM

lancaster

That is a very neat airgun. I beileve that teh Sheridan pellets were also .20" pellets which is they are available where you are, may work.

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Re: next dandy airgun [Re: 85lc]
      #390388 - 14/03/25 02:59 AM

Händler&Natermann had the original pellet for the .20 caliber sheridan airgun in production once but did not made them anymore. I will work with the czech JSB pellet and try to improve it, buy 1000 pellets of this so enough on stock for a while.

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Re: next dandy airgun [Re: lancaster]
      #390390 - 14/03/25 06:57 AM

Cool little airgun mate!
Something to practice on during cold nights

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Re: next dandy airgun [Re: 93x64mm]
      #390397 - 14/03/25 09:40 AM

That is a cool airgun.
Just found this out yesterday at indoor air gun at our range, that:
NA and Europe that the EU mandated that pellet makers in the EU had 5 years to find a suitable replacement for lead. That was 2 or 3 years ago, so lead pellet (& I suppose bullet) production in the EU will cease in 2 or 3 years.
Stock up time is nigh.
NA, because the best pellets are made in Germany and the Czechoslovak Republic.

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Re: next dandy airgun [Re: DarylS]
      #390400 - 14/03/25 01:55 PM

Daryl,
Very good point for all air rifle shooters: Stock up!

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Re: next dandy airgun [Re: 85lc]
      #390404 - 14/03/25 06:31 PM

the lead ban will be the most effektive anti-gun method ever. you can't replace lead for airguns and .22 rimfire guns. well, you can but the replacement will cost 3 to 10 times as much and this will kill it.
and nothing will be available for the obsolete, antique or unusual so we will have to cast and to press.

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Re: next dandy airgun [Re: lancaster]
      #390412 - 15/03/25 12:52 AM

A supply of "spent" pellets from today, will help.
Some of the lads use blocks of "duct seal" as the backstop/collector for their indoor shooting, whereas I have an 18" x 19" open front on mine, having a 3/16" x 24" square of steel set at an angle in a 1/2" plywood box box with 2"square slats holding the steel sheet. I staple cardboard over the open front of it for target support.
I've used it for initial sighting for all of my air rifles, ncluding the .45, but excluding the new .50 cal. I dont want and denying of the steel. It may not, but dont want to test my luck too far.
This "box" makes for an easy lead collection station, however the collected lead had quite a bit of paper mixed in it.
This easily burns off before making 1 lb. ingots.

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Re: next dandy airgun [Re: DarylS]
      #390413 - 15/03/25 01:04 AM

JSB makes a number of different weight and styles of .20 cal pellets.
This is the heaviest one, but has a LONG skirt.
This is the Company.
https://www.schulzdiabolo.cz/en/
https://www.schulzdiabolo.cz/en/pellets/exact-20-a-25/



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