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Fox Drive season 2025
      #390278 - 09/03/25 10:27 AM

First fox drive yesterday on a hot day. Temperatures in the 33 to 35 deg C range. Some breezes which made the sweat feel cooler. I only acted as a vehicle driver and in a blocker role. I drove one walker. Who started last year. He took one fox this shoot.

Vehicles drop off the walkers and then circle around on tracks or usually roads to a line kilometres in front of the walking line. Quite civilised. Each usually carries a folding chair. I take a "dri-az-a-bone" style padded cool shoulder bag with blue gel frozen cooler packs with cool water and drinks in it. My Coober Pedy Akubra hat. Tag thin safari trousers. A Cabelas long sleeve safari shirt. But sleeves rolled up. What a dude! I'm too white currently and might sun burn.

Walkers have it much harder. Might walk even 25 km in a day. Such hot weather makes it hard. Some rare walks are on flatter land but usually hills and ridges. Some walkers have a spot up and down gullies and hills.

Very dry this year. Little or no grass. One farmer mentioned 8 or 9 inches (200 to 225 mm) of rain this last year, instead of the more normal 19 inches 475 mm. Roads very dusty, sometimes zero visibility billowing fine bull dust. Worst drought for thirty years. Farmers furthered North are doing it very tough. Considerable financial problems. Not a word about it on urban mainstream fake news media.

The participants are a mixture of local farmers, other country people, and often even city people.

I used my Tikka 512 U/O 12-bore shotgun. Shotguns are a mixture. More and more semu auto shotguns. Farmers can get a farm working semi auto shotgun and a semi auto. 22 RF
Fox culls are very much a collaborative team farm working fox cull. Semi auto, side by side and a few under and over shotguns. Shooting no larger than BBs.

The result? 41 foxes at least for the first shoot. Highest individual result was 8 for a younger guy walking the ridges. Second highest was 5 for the oldest guy, a blocker. 3 was another. A few 2s. Most 1, or none. 38 participants.

My result SHOULD have been ONE. I watch mybfirst fox run parallel to us, maybev160 metres away. Hopefully will be cliser down the line?

Then 20 seconds later a fox exited a creek, ran past my neighbour who was inattentive. I saw it, gave him two or three seconds. It was now in my shooting arc. Fired, shot the ground in front of it! i.e. shot short! Next barrel not enough lead, but the shot sid fall around it, it faltered but ran strongly. Crossed the creek only thirty yards in front of me. Very easy shot, but trying to reloading. One shell in, but now it was disappearing into the trees. Maybe someone down the line should have been able to get a shot. STIPID STUPID STUPID. it should have been mine.

Saw some phantom foxes which turned into hares. One circled me; only yards away. Lots of roos, Eastern greys. Plus wallaroo. Small small young ones, wallabies? Not anywhere as many as usual. The drought maybe?

One more fox I didn't see but shot behind a tree from me by my neighbour.

Clicking is easy but one must keep attentive. Long periods of boredom, random thoughts. But left and right, scanning for that rare exciting fox. I've never shot a fox blocking, only when walking. Usually I get to on shoot a year. This year with no grapes to pick, I'm hoping to get to three out of the four. A Cigar and Whisky Dinner at my Naval and Military Club the night before, I'm being a slacker the next early morning and not attending.

Intriguing is one future section, I think the shoot I'm missing. Last year it was world war 3 under the awful wind turbines, constant shooting. 79 foxes that day. Does bird kill under the turbines attract foxes?

Local farmers love the fox drives. Often questioning J the local farmer doing a lot of the local work for the drives, when the shooters are coming. Lambs are a favourite prey for wily foxes. D, a local, the main organiser does a lot of the organing work.

The day ended with a sausage BBQ and beers at J's parents house. And a talky count and debriefing and get together.

I came from Adelaide the previous night, via my Barossa farm to check on the animals and gear up. Not much sleep. It was too much. I had to stop on the road side. Have a smoke. Fall in and out of sleep for at least an hour. Before driving on to the farm.

Notwithstanding the fox I should have shot, a good day.

Note: I need to proof read and correct the Android drivel. Add some scenic photos.

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Re: Fox Drive season 2025 [Re: NitroX]
      #390279 - 10/03/25 04:43 AM

Sounds like a hard drive and tough shooting.

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Re: Fox Drive season 2025 [Re: DarylS]
      #390284 - 10/03/25 02:45 PM

Quote:

Sounds like a hard drive and tough shooting.




Hot, but not too much. When I was younger I would have done it easily. I'm driving and blocking this year, as I'll have my vehicle there.

Nicer a bit cooler.

Early Autumn, a late Summer blast. Mid to high all week. 38/39°C today.

Hopefully cooler by Saturday?

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Re: Fox Drive season 2025 [Re: NitroX]
      #390286 - 10/03/25 04:17 PM

Getting 8 by the young fella is a good effort. Would be good to have legs again.

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Re: Fox Drive season 2025 [Re: Claydog]
      #390822 - 01/04/25 12:22 AM

Last fox drive day of the season on Saturday past. Third drive day I attended out of the four,

Finally shot two foxes on the day.

The first coming at a medium run slight angle in front of me. In the tree scrub. No under growth. Too dry. A first shot hit hard, it ran to the side, second shot fired as it was behind the trunk and exposed roots of a tree. It ended up under a hollow of the tree roots. Reloading the Simson Suhl side by side, a third shot to finish it's wriggling. A smaller maybe immature red fox.

The second, I had a stone ridge in front of me, maybe fifty to sixth metres or less away. If they came over they would bevfast. Completely open country, but I couldn't see further behind. Three or more foxes \ came to the guy on my left. He was in fox alley. The third fox he fired at twice, but it was still running strong when I shot it. It skipped and hopped hit hard when I used the second barrel to finish it. A very large fox with a hairy blackish rug coat on its back.

Last drive was in tussocky grassy clumps. High enough to ide a running fox. The blockers here were closer together. Tree scrub maybe forty metres ahead. The shooter to my right shot a fox running through the tussocks unseen by me. I needed to stand up to see better. Later a second foc shot at from the second shooter to the right ineffectively, running straight towards me. I had a beautiful sight picture of it,as if through a scope, it's nose out, ears back,running as if it's life depended on it. My front bead on its nose. Bang, shot hitting all around i a second shot. It crumpled. Not shot by me, Damn!

My Akubra brim, sighting along the barrels, gave me after each sighting an image like a black round scope circle image. Tunnel vision memory. The moving fox image like a close up video.


Only two for the three drives, Should have been two more. Stupid two bad shots on the first drive of the season on an easy running fox at 30 or 35 metres. Should have been a dead foc. When it crossed the creek right in front of me, again it should have been dead. Empty double barrels.

Second drive day. Tin a wide reedycreek flat, the walkers within range, I let the fox run through the line and shot itfrom behind, the second shot dropping it. It got back up and ran. The girl to my left shot at it to no effect. It ran maybe two hundred metres. The guys on the left wing saw it fall over and ran after it. One said he shot it dead sitting, lying on the dam bank in the grass. His fox.

I imagine around 150 foxes plus for the four drives, About forty walkers and blockers per day.

Foxes are a serious pest in Australia. Kill a lot of lambs, or sheep, knjured or weak. Domestic poultry. Kill a lot of native ground nesting birds and small marsupials to extinction.

Introduced species such as pheasants don't have a chance of surviving long. Especially nesting.

150 to 200 foxes every year from drives maybe fifteen to twenty five kilometres each drive is invaluable to the farmers. Especially during lambing season. But a small dent in the total population. And as the drives are through scrub, hills, ridge lines, they are difficult areas to spotlight.

BBQ and a beer at the end of the day.

I used my Simson Suhl 12-bore with full, possibly extra full chokes. I decided to use this after reading the German Guns thread on the NE Forums. It's restrictive chokes seemed appropriate. I want to test shoot it on fox paper targets and see how it patterns. Especially on extended ranges. See how it goes.

But there is no doubt a semi auto or pump action shotgun with three to five shells would result in those two other fixes dead, with the third or fourth shot. I shoot a side by side better, but extra shots are invaluable.

As a farmer I've a farmers licence allowing semi auto rimfire and shotgun. Or a pump action shotgun.

I'd love a nicecsrmi auto. Walnut and blued steel. Maybe a Browning A5. I always wanted one. Are the available in Australia's very restrictive semi auto market? Most would have been destroyed. Second hand ones would have. exhorbitant prices is my guess. New ones all seem to be black plastic.

I already have my Father's Mossberg pump action shotgun. It needs the bulbous variy\ choke sawn off, a Briley internal vari choke fitted.

It's very rusty from my father's gun safe in the shed, against a moist wall. I had it lovely oiled, but in his retirement house it rusted seriously. I'm thinking rubbing the rust off. Smoothing as much as possible, Replace the choke. Paint the non wood bits green. Maybe add a rifle front sight? See how well I shoot it? Assuming the slide and magazine works fine.

If I want a semi auto I need to sell the pump action first.

A question. What sort of paint is used on a gun's steel? Any special application methods?

How long would you make the barrel? I think it's 28 inch currently. BB's on fixes, maybe SGAAs, slugs sometime. Steel shot on ducks, probably not legal for ducks? Farm pest shooting only.

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Re: Fox Drive season 2025 [Re: NitroX]
      #390832 - 01/04/25 04:07 AM

The best of the semi-autos for repeat shooting are the Benneli M4's, seems to me. They hold on target a lot better with very little if any rise of the barrels. That seemed to be the selling point of them. Might be the reason the Fed. Gvt. here tried to ban them.
All I have is SxS for black powder and a couple pump-guns currently. They are plenty fast shooting, just as fast as a semi-auto or faster, if one practices a bit.
Slamming the slide forward brings the gun back to where you are looking on-target, whereas with a SA, you have to physically pull it down out of recoil. With the pump gun, that happens automatically.

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Re: Fox Drive season 2025 [Re: DarylS]
      #390842 - 01/04/25 08:54 AM

John just get a matched pair of doubles and a good loader to go with you. Easy fix.

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Re: Fox Drive season 2025 [Re: DarylS]
      #390849 - 01/04/25 04:39 PM

Daryl, I've used the pump action a lot in the past. I know how fast it is and can fire it very fast. Probably more reliable than a semi auto. But there's no doubt racking the pump moves the gun more than semi auto cycling with all that movement.

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Re: Fox Drive season 2025 [Re: Claydog]
      #390850 - 01/04/25 04:42 PM

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John just get a matched pair of doubles and a good loader to go with you. Easy fix.




Good idea. He can hold my sun umbrella and pour my ice chilled drinks as well in between reloading.

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Re: Fox Drive season 2025 [Re: NitroX]
      #390852 - 01/04/25 04:52 PM

Would be happy to volunteer but my umbrella holding is seriously second rate.

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Re: Fox Drive season 2025 [Re: Claydog]
      #390859 - 01/04/25 11:30 PM



My Simson Suhl 12-bore, plain, but tightly choked.

A problem with BBs is they work well if shooting a fox in the front. Or broadside front. Shooting from behind is far less effective. And to be sure multiple shots may be required to stop the fox.

My story from last year is on this link:

"Traditions of Yesteryear" article, Stockwell Hunt Club, Barossa
http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=352822&an=0&page=0&vc=1

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