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Hatari
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A strong Double rifles ?
#38924 - 09/10/05 11:35 PM

What's the best (strong) double rifles for working in Africa ?
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500Nitro
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Re: A strong Double rifles ? [Re: Hatari]
#38941 - 10/10/05 03:02 AM

What do you mean by Strong ?

If you could expand further the reasoning behind your
question this would help us answer it.

In terms used in the DR field, the Holland Domimion Sidelock
is well known as one of the strongest.

The Webley "Screw Grip" or "Treble Grip" and Webley PHV1
Boxlock Actions are known to be very strong.

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Hatari
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Re: A strong Double rifles ? [Re: 500Nitro]
#38942 - 10/10/05 04:14 AM

A double rifles without problems on the field of Africa, I saw Purdey and H&H are "fine guns" with sidelock, but Westley-Richards, Rigby,... are "working guns" with droplock/boxlock; The W-R,Rigby are more strong with there droplock/boxlock-What do you think of these fact ?
I want hunting with a double rifles in Africa without problems of mechanism - The bore I hope a .500 N.E.
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Excuse for mistakes, I'm belgian.

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Re: A strong Double rifles ? [Re: Hatari]
#38943 - 10/10/05 04:57 AM

Hatari

Can you update your profile with your country so people know where you are from ?

I understand now.

FYI, A lot of Rigby's guns, (after the end of the Rigby Bissell Rising Third Bite era
that the Sidelocks were made) were made on the Webley Actions that I mentioned
above - that includes BOTH the Sidelocks and Boxlocks).

I also have a Westley-Richards Boxlock 500/465 that is like a Webley Action.

IMHO, in general any of the English Boxlocks are good, strong actions. I like
and am very biased toards Webely Actions.

If you find something you like, post a couple of pictures on this forum and someone
should be able to tell you what it is and who made it - or at least a good "Guesstimate".
Most guns can be traced back via the action, proof marks or initials on the barrels.

"I want hunting with a double rifles in Africa without problems of mechanism"

Any good English Gun should be OK if it has been lookd after.

IF you buy a gun, get it checked out properley by a good gunsmith and everything
made perfect before you use it. This will help alleviate any problems when you are
miles away in Africa although it will never solved the unexpected - ie Broken Stock,
broken firing pin etc that you can't foresee.

Re "The bore I hope a .500" N.E.

Good choice - 500 NE is a great calibre - the larger bullet / higher energy shows when
you hit an animal over a 465, 470 etc.

I have a few English 500 NE Doubles are they are great to use and look at although
I am just in the process of having my annual Spring clean out so and going to split my
composed pair of 500 Nitro's which is a pity but I don't need 2 the same !!!

Anyway, hope this helps. Ask any more questions if you want and I will
try to answer them.

500 Nitro

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DUGABOY1
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Re: A strong Double rifles ? [Re: Hatari]
#38944 - 10/10/05 05:55 AM

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What's the best (strong) double rifles for working in Africa ?
At soon.

HATARI I agree with 500 on the Webley actions, and these actions can be found in rifles with any one of a dozen names on them!

As far as strenth goes, It is my belief that box locks are generally stronger than side locks over all. The side locks, and drop locks are nice because they are easier to take care of in the field, because most of the works comes out of the rifle, on the plates, so are easier to get at. The Germans make exremely strong actions, and in some cases stronger than most Britt actions. They have an action that is called a Blitz action, and it is almost the same as the WR drop lock action. All the lock works comes out of the rifle attached to the trigger plate.

I also agree if you find one you like, and can get some pictures of it, this is one of the best place to get information on it. Any good solid Britt, or German double, with the proper chambering, and in tight condition will serve you well, as long as you do your part in keeping it clean, and properly lubricated! For a work rifle, I personally would tend to go for a BOX LOCK!

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Re: A strong Double rifles ? [Re: DUGABOY1]
#38947 - 10/10/05 07:40 AM

Hatari,

What Dugaboy1 says is 100% correct.

I would like to add that even if Sidelocks and Droplocks
can be field serviced, in reality I don't think many people
actually do it.

It's one of those features you get on products in this world
that makes you buy something but you don't actually use
it much !!!

English 500 Nitro's are scarce you don't see them come up
very often so you have to be prepared to jump in when you
see one - so would suggest you start get your money together.

If you can find a Webley Actioned 500, buy it - they are great
and all 3 I have / have had shot really well.

500 Nitro

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Re: A strong Double rifles ? [Re: 500Nitro]
#38976 - 10/10/05 10:25 PM

This is going to be long winded, so bear with me. The question posted used the word strong which is derived from strength. And it's the strength of every component in a double rifle that matters. So analyzing this more closely we come up with the most important attributes of mechanical devices: reliability and durability. Reliability is the likeliness it will work when called upon. Durability is the likeliness it will wast as long as required. These are depended on materials, design, construction, and maintenance.

Based on the above criteria, most of your English guns will qualify as most have proven the test of time. As far as moder guns are concerned the Searcy and Chapuis seem to be exceptionally stout designs. Some chaps have put 1000's of rounds through these guns without fault.

Lastly, no double rifle will stand up to abuse. If you need a really really rugged rifle – pick yourself up a fiberglass stocked Dakota model 76.

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Re: A strong Double rifles ? [Re: bonanza]
#38979 - 10/10/05 11:23 PM

Thank you for all these informations.
But I saw the http://www.westleyrichards.com/gun/new_build_dbl.html
I like Westley-Richards.

For you, the Boxlock is more strongest that the droplock !
Do you know the site of Webley ?

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Re: A strong Double rifles ? [Re: Hatari]
#38980 - 10/10/05 11:34 PM

Hatari

The difference in strength between a Boxlock and
and Westley Richards Droplock (which is a Boxlock anyway)
is minimal.

Do you know the site of Webley ?

Suggest you buy a heap of reference books and read, read
and research - which is not a strong point of people today
bu itis how you will learn about gun development and actions.

500 Nitro

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Re: A strong Double rifles ? [Re: 500Nitro]
#38985 - 11/10/05 12:40 AM

Thank you 500Nitro.

I look at also a used double rifles, like a new double rifles in a .500 NE.
I search since 6 months a nice old double rifles, but it isn't easy !
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Re: A strong Double rifles ? [Re: Hatari]
#39110 - 13/10/05 10:18 AM

No double is "strong" if you are compairing it to a good bolt gun. In reality the double rifle is one of the weakest actions but we have to take that in perspective.
A double rifle uses low pressure cartridges and can deliver two shots faster then any bolt gun. It also has the advantage of having the ability to fire even if we have a dud in one chamber with no more effort then moving your finger to the next trigger. Strength is thus relative, as it depends on your deffinition. However a box lock, stock wise will be stronger then a side lock as the reciol is against two rather large slabs of wood compaired to the side locks four slim fingers of wood. If you are looking for a good used double then do some home work as there are a lot of great guns out there which do not have names that inflate price. (Like Army Navy) and can be a good buy.

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