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Lawman
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8X57IR Monometal
      #388139 - 11/12/24 01:26 AM

looking for a bullet and starting load data for 8X57IR (.318) suitable for whitetail.
For use in Drilling and Combination Gun.

Edited by Lawman (11/12/24 01:28 AM)

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Re: 8X57IR Monometal [Re: Lawman]
      #388140 - 11/12/24 01:53 AM

I don't know if anyone made them in the united states in .318

here are german made bullets https://www.sax-munition.de/geschosse/?o...5b788dd7f1ad96c

one is copper and the other brass

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Re: 8X57IR Monometal [Re: lancaster]
      #388144 - 11/12/24 06:18 AM

The only 0.318 bullets that I have found (in the US) are cup & core bullets.

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Re: 8X57IR Monometal [Re: 85lc]
      #388151 - 11/12/24 10:40 AM

I have a 1913 Mauser sporting rifle (called a model B by the person who sold it to me a few years ago). I was able to find a couple of packets of Woodleigh 200 gn Weldcore in .318. They are accurate and would be perfect for Whitetail. I also have a reducing die made by CH tool and die. It reduces .323 projectiles to .319. And they work fine as well .
I have the Woodleigh loading book and it has load data for .318 Mausers. I can provide some loading data from it in a couple of days when I get home.

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Re: 8X57IR Monometal [Re: Hendo]
      #388153 - 11/12/24 12:11 PM

What 85lc said, not monometal, but In Australia for a while we could buy the Sellier & Bellot 196gr .318 bullet (No.2941) in boxes of 100 for ~50 bucks a box, about 35USD. Standard cup'n'core soft-nose design. I bought a few boxes just to have on the shelf.

Feel compelled to add that I don't rate S&B brass very highly, having had issues with reloading .303 Brit and 7mm Mauser in the distant past, but I have shot a bunch of their bullets in 8mm Mauser, 196-grain SPCE (No.2945), and they seem to work just fine.

Unless you really need monometal, it might be worth contacting the S&B importer and ask the question.

Hendo:
Have you checked the dimensions of the chamber neck in your Type B Mauser?
I was given excellent advice on bullets for my example by kuduae in this thread from 2018. Seems you may be able to shoot .323 projectiles in your .318-bore if the chamber has been necked/throated for the larger projectile. Worth checking...

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Re: 8X57IR Monometal [Re: Marrakai]
      #388172 - 12/12/24 05:42 AM

If a .323" bullet sill slide into a "fired" case, you are good to go with the larger bullets, however, I would NOT use the oversized bullets if solid copper or guilding metal.

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Re: 8X57IR Monometal [Re: DarylS]
      #388173 - 12/12/24 08:08 AM

As Tony mentioned, S&B makes 8x57irammunition which I have used for deer hunting using a Simson DR. Buffalo Arms sells a variety of 0.318" bulltes. All work well, however, all are cup & core.

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Re: 8X57IR Monometal [Re: 85lc]
      #388190 - 13/12/24 01:40 AM

the older I caliber rifles come in trouble if you have a ban on lead ammo. the older S&B bullets in .318 are all common softpoints with a leadcore.

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Re: 8X57IR Monometal [Re: lancaster]
      #388192 - 13/12/24 05:51 AM

No explanation as to why monometal bullets are needed, didn't think Texas was lead free?

However it would not be hard to setup on a small lathe to spin off 4 or 5 thou from .323 mono bullets.
A little bit of work but an option to keep a .318 calibre gun shooting with monos if these are required.
In similar fashion I turn down a gas check shank on plain base cast bullets for my 404. Can do 100 plus bullets in an hour on a small lathe using a simple setup.

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Re: 8X57IR Monometal [Re: eagle27]
      #389531 - 10/02/25 06:55 PM

Here is a link to some:

https://www.foxbullets.eu/

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Re: 8X57IR Monometal [Re: luv2safari]
      #389535 - 10/02/25 10:48 PM

Here is a link to Hammer bullets.

https://hammerbullets.com/product-tag/318/

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Re: 8X57IR Monometal [Re: jgrabow]
      #389537 - 11/02/25 01:38 AM

Hammer bullets are interesting. The 0.318" 185 gr bullet is recommended for the 318 Westley Richards which I believe takes a 0.330" bullet, not a 0.318" bullet.


Hammer states the following for the .318 Cal-185gr Hammer Hunter™

"Here is a pure copper Hammer Hunter™ for the guys shooting .318 Westly Richards. This will be a great bullet for normal to long range big game hunting."

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Re: 8X57IR Monometal [Re: 85lc]
      #389538 - 11/02/25 01:56 AM

Quality Cartridge lists .318 J bullets. I have used their bullets in my 280 Ross. Unfortunately, I don't have any data on performance on game.

https://www.qual-cart.com/Game-StopR.htm

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Re: 8X57IR Monometal [Re: 85lc]
      #389539 - 11/02/25 02:02 AM

It appears the ".318 Cal-155gr Hammer Hunter™" and the ".318 Cal-185gr Hammer Hunter™" are different calibers.

Good catch.

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Re: 8X57IR Monometal [Re: jgrabow]
      #389540 - 11/02/25 02:46 AM

Quote:

It appears the ".318 Cal-155gr Hammer Hunter™" and the ".318 Cal-185gr Hammer Hunter™" are different calibers.

Good catch.



Or they have zero idea about what they are doing and knowledge of cartridges. Certainly their website designers and website quality control doesn't.

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Re: 8X57IR Monometal [Re: eagle27]
      #389541 - 11/02/25 02:50 AM

Quote:

No explanation as to why monometal bullets are needed, didn't think Texas was lead free?




No answer?

Lead free bullet and shot legal restrictions are almost totally an NWO anti gun "environmental" BS scam.

Never proved for shot and absolutely no evidence ever for rifle bullets.

Yes I do understand some liberal jurisdictions force their shooters to comply with the BS.


Edited: in this thread also on monometal bullets, the opening poster says the cartridges are needed for California.

http://forums.nitroexpress.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=375853&an=&page=0&vc=1

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Re: 8X57IR Monometal [Re: NitroX]
      #389543 - 11/02/25 03:59 AM

They are required in Cali-pornya, Jon, and CA is hell-bent to enforce that requirement. If I hunt from my small cabins just over the border in CA I need non-toxic bullets and shot for everything.





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Edited by luv2safari (11/02/25 04:07 AM)

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