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General Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck
      #388026 - 04/12/24 01:44 AM



I'm attending this event this week, at my Naval Military Club.

Topic: The Undefeated German General,
At the outbreak of the First World War, Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck was a Lieutenant Colonel in charge of the armed forces in the colony German East Africa (later Tanganyika and later still, Tanzania). He had available a garrison of about five thousand soldiers split more or less evenly between German nationals and locally raised African troops. With this small force he immediately attacked towns and lines of communication in British East Africa with success. Elsewhere the colonies of the scattered German colonial empire were quickly subdued and occupied by Allied forces but von Lettow-Vorbeck had the military skills, bushcraft and above all the leadership to maintain a disciplined army that fought doggedly until Germany surrendered in Europe.

Although he increased his force with local recruits they remained greatly outnumbered by British Imperial troops.…

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Re: General Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck [Re: NitroX]
      #388027 - 04/12/24 02:16 AM

the downfall of the british empire - lets shoot the native blacks on other white man.
for the africans there was no difference between white man at all. they learned it was possible and than it was a matter of time. stupidity in action.

hope you have a great time there. dress code? pith helmet is a must!

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Re: General Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck [Re: lancaster]
      #388031 - 04/12/24 08:57 AM

Listened to "White Hunters" audio book last week that said a bit about him. Respected even by his enemies.

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Re: General Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck [Re: lancaster]
      #388041 - 04/12/24 02:25 PM

Quote:

the downfall of the british empire - lets shoot the native blacks on other white man.
for the africans there was no difference between white man at all. they learned it was possible and than it was a matter of time. stupidity in action.

hope you have a great time there. dress code? pith helmet is a must!




The British didn't trust their blacks. Only impressed/ forced them into being bearers. The Brits were afraid the black soldiers would rise up later. Indian troops were also used I believe.

On the other hand 95% of the German East African army was blacks. And fought loyally and well for von Lettow-Vorbeck. For the length of the war, undefeated until surrender AFTER the surrender of Germany.

One hears Britishers often claiming how aweful the Germsn colonies were and how badly the blacks were treated. Usually tainted with hints of NAZIism, not invented for a decade or two. Funny blacks in Tand0ganyika, now Tanzania are recorded as preferring the German colonial administration, compared to the racist hypocritical British colonial government. Fact. Rule of law, equal justice, for the whites.

The criticism probably comes from how the British stole all the land, farms, from the German, European, and Afrikaaner farmers and lanowners. After taking over Tanganyika.

All irrelevant to the topic. The East African Campaigns of WW1.

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Dress code? The club does have a dress code, this event is jacketbandvtie. Very pukka.

My comrades at the dinner will gevacRoyal Horse Guards Major and a RAAF Group Captain. . To be presentable I'll have to go as "von Hahn". As many German African settlers suddenly gained a "von" settling in Africa.

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Re: General Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck [Re: Claydog]
      #388042 - 04/12/24 02:27 PM

Quote:

Listened to "White Hunters" audio book last week that said a bit about him. Respected even by his enemies.




Yes a Caesar in Africa. Marching his "legion" to attack and evade. To the end of the war.

Good book too.

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Re: General Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck [Re: lancaster]
      #388043 - 04/12/24 02:33 PM

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hope you have a great time there. dress code? pith helmet is a must!





I'll have to find my white pith helmet. And dress accordingly.

I have a golden tan jacket. White moleskin pants. Polished tan dress boots. Probably a linen light blue shirt. Have to find the right tie. Maybe an elephant tie pin. And acwhite pith helmet.

It's going to be an East African dry 38 Deg C tomorrow !!!

Heia Safari !


I'll report back on the lecture.

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Re: General Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck [Re: NitroX]
      #388044 - 04/12/24 02:39 PM

Heia Safari!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iPW9Ab4BtjE

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Re: General Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck [Re: NitroX]
      #388045 - 04/12/24 02:41 PM

Done morevtona marching tune, with African drums:

German East African March -- ''Heia Safari!''

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=31olA9OCSuA

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Re: General Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck [Re: NitroX]
      #388061 - 06/12/24 01:40 PM

Interesting lecture. Left a lot out due to time constraints. IMO was complementary but very much from a Britischer perspective.

Of course the comments about the German colonial administration and genocide of natives. In SW Africa and Tanganyika. The British annexation of Zanzibar was of course positive and only to save it from the Germans.

One of the attendees claimed the Germans used trickery to illegally claim ownership of the territory of Tanganyika. An adventurer using trickery to trick it away from native chiefs. I wonder how the Brits gained "legal" ownership of Kenya. The Portugese, French for their colonies as well. The club host mentioned it was funny how all these other countries stole the land, committed genocide, but never the Btish for their colonies ... Of course he was being sarcastic,

I would have liked to hear about the hardships on the campaign trail. It was mentioned their fine uniforms were in tatters and rags by the end. Nothing about hippo hide boots or sandal soles. Raw hide webbing etc.

The Konigsberg was mentioned. It's actions. The British attempts to find and destroy it. The British lacking channel information couldn't sail a major ship up the Ruifa delta. But a flat bottomed barge with artillery on it aided by spotter aircraft eventually destroyed the Konigsberg. The Captain scuttling the ship where it's hulk allegedly still lies in the river. I'd like to see it oneday. It's crew and naval guns were salvaged and used by von Lettow-Vorbeck.

The Governor of Tanganyika tried to claim neutrality. Under the Congo Treaty where European African colonies would stay neutral. Von Lettow-Vorbeck disagreed, And wished to divert as many British forces as possible away from European campaigns.

300,000 British troops were eventually used in Tanganyika. And huge numbers of porters. The German forces were 2700 white officers, soldiers, sailors, settlers and about 13,000 black Askaris. Many thousands of porters. The greatest death tolls were from disease. The death toll among the porters was in the tens of thousands. Some 50,000 porters dying on the British side.

Interesting given this alleged neutrality British Navy ships several times shelled German coastal ports early in WW1.

The Brit sea landing invasions at several coastal ports and towns were mentioned. Most were failures.

I didn't realise how far South in Mozambique the Schutztruppe campaigned.

The campaign was largely a "Guerilla" war per the speaker.

The speaker mentioned missing the Lake sea battles and battles inland due to speaking time constraints.

Von Lettow-Vorbeck surrendered after the German surrender in Europe.

He returned home a hero. Many statues were erected, and streets named after him. Sadly the Marxist cancel culture of modern leftist globalist woke Germany has tried to cancel him as an evil colonist. Streets renamed. Statues removed. The German language Wikipedia page is supposed to be full of Cancel Culture BS. Cancel Culture needs to be cancelled.

Von Lettow-Vorbeck was involved in right wing politics after WW1, but was never a NAZI and was opposed to Hitler.

He attended at least one British anniversary event in the UK as a guest of honour.

He was blind in one eye, his other eye also partially blinded during the campaign. His feet were a mess and he could wear boots. Hecwss very thin. But kept on marching. An inspirational example to his men. His Askaris fought for him, even though they were not paid for two years. Later they were given German pensions. Sometimes identified by the order barked, "Attention". The old guys were snapped to attention got a pension. Paperwork having been lost by the Askaris not surprisingly.

Von Lettow-Vorbeck observing the British camp could have had General Jan Smuts sniped. But thought it improper. Jan Smuts was discussed. Meinitzhagen was mentioned, he was more a "gentleman adventurer" than I realised. Often sacked and removed from campaigns in Africa and Arabia.

Von Lettow-Vorbeck, an honourable man. A gentleman, Who fought honourably, as much as modern warfare allows. A mini 20th Century Caesar IMO.

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