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Re: Mannlicher description help [Re: Rolland]
      #388148 - 11/12/24 08:09 AM

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I am still kinda wandering around in the dark on this rifle as far as a stock. Is the action the same as the Greek?, would the 1910 MS fit in the Greek stock as far as the action size. Reason I ask is I can find a couple of places that make stocks for the Greek actions and if they would fit I might be able to go that direction.




I think the action would fit into a greek stock but it could be the barrel is to thick in diameter.
you have to try it.

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Re: Mannlicher description help [Re: lancaster]
      #388150 - 11/12/24 09:26 AM

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I am still kinda wandering around in the dark on this rifle as far as a stock. Is the action the same as the Greek?, would the 1910 MS fit in the Greek stock as far as the action size. Reason I ask is I can find a couple of places that make stocks for the Greek actions and if they would fit I might be able to go that direction.




I think the action would fit into a greek stock but it could be the barrel is to thick in diameter.
you have to try it.




What I hoped was that if the action fit up to the barrel ring then I could request a smaller barrel channel and fit it to the barrel contour on the 1910. I have done that before on the Dutch Mannlicher.


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Re: Mannlicher description help [Re: Rolland]
      #388154 - 11/12/24 12:18 PM

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I am still kinda wandering around in the dark on this rifle as far as a stock. Is the action the same as the Greek?, would the 1910 MS fit in the Greek stock as far as the action size. Reason I ask is I can find a couple of places that make stocks for the Greek actions and if they would fit I might be able to go that direction.




Member * kuduae may have the answer.

He is _very_ well versed on the subtle differences between models of Mannlicher Schoenauer and of European sporting arms in general.

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Re: Mannlicher description help [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #388199 - 13/12/24 02:26 PM

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I am still kinda wandering around in the dark on this rifle as far as a stock. Is the action the same as the Greek?, would the 1910 MS fit in the Greek stock as far as the action size. Reason I ask is I can find a couple of places that make stocks for the Greek actions and if they would fit I might be able to go that direction.




Member * kuduae may have the answer.

He is _very_ well versed on the subtle differences between models of Mannlicher Schoenauer and of European sporting arms in general.




Thanks I did send him a PM haven't heard back yet


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Re: Mannlicher description help [Re: DarylS]
      #388211 - 14/12/24 03:14 AM

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I am still kinda wandering around in the dark on this rifle as far as a stock. Is the action the same as the Greek?, would the 1910 MS fit in the Greek stock as far as the action size. Reason I ask is I can find a couple of places that make stocks for the Greek actions and if they would fit I might be able to go that direction.
I have a 1910 MS in 9.5x57 20 inch barrel. It came to me with out a stock, my question is can I fit a Greek pattern stock to accept the 1910 action. I have listed photos on the web site.
The reason I ask is that Richards in Calif does have the Greek pattern and will accommodate the changes ie: full lenght stock and smaller barrel channel as well as a larger butt to fit the trapdoor butt plate.




I disassembled two of my Mannlicher-Schoenauers for comparision: A M1903 in 6.5x54 M-S by G.Gibbs on an 1905 dated action from the Steyr military production or the Greeks and a M1910 in 9.5x57 M-S built in the 1930s.


There are very few differences: The receeivers proper are the same as to length, diameters and bolt size. Merely the magazine base (# 40 in the old Stoeger parts list posted above by Rothammer) and the floorplate (# 41) are 1 mm `= .04” wider (not longer!) on the 1910. The barrel dimensions are the same. The trap buttplates are interchangeable from the M1903 to the M1925. So I see no major problems apart from a bit of hand inletting on adapting a m1903 stock to a M1910. As the 9.5x57 produces considerable more recoil than the 6.5x54, you should install and glass bed a hidden crossbolt behind that small recoil lug under the receiver ring.


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Re: Mannlicher description help [Re: Rolland]
      #388291 - 18/12/24 08:12 AM

Ok another question on the 1910 model, did they ever come with a trap door grip cap?

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Re: Mannlicher description help [Re: Rolland]
      #388293 - 18/12/24 12:24 PM

They certainly did, although its not a trapdoor as such but rather a bayonet type where the whole grip cap rotates and is then withdrawn. A small push-button lever is depressed to allow the grip cap to rotate.

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Re: Mannlicher description help [Re: Rolland]
      #388297 - 18/12/24 07:21 PM

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Ok another question on the 1910 model, did they ever come with a trap door grip cap?




Why, certainly.

Many 'Take Down Models' had the feature which allowed for storage of sight beads.

My grandfather's cased, 1922 proofed, M1910 TD had a spare sight bead in the grip, wrapped in cheesecloth.

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Re: Mannlicher description help [Re: Rothhammer1]
      #388314 - 19/12/24 03:05 PM

I worry about that toothpick stock on my 1910 splitting, but I have never tried installing a support behind the recoil lug. I was thinking of using square key stock and Inletting it about a 1/16 deeper than flush and glassing over the top of it, and using a release agent on the action, installing it and allowing the glass to cure.
Does this sound about right?
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Re: Mannlicher description help [Re: Rolland]
      #388877 - 14/01/25 06:48 AM

I have now gathered all the parts I think I need to get started on a rebuild. I picked up a stock with all the hardware including the pistol grip compartment and a peep sight, along with the trapdoor buttplate alto its missing the spring and screw( small matter).
The stock is cracked through the wrist and has been repaired altho not serviceable, the barrel channel is the same and the barrel band lines up with the hole for the pin on the forearm. The only difference I can see is that the magazine well is a little narrower on the stock so the rifle will not slide in but otherwise looks the same. I will see if I can send this off to have it duplicated alto at this time not sure where. I need some recommendations as to where.

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Re: Mannlicher description help [Re: Rolland]
      #388881 - 14/01/25 08:14 AM

Great stuff, good to see it coming along, looking forward to seeing the finished gun.


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Re: Mannlicher description help [Re: Waidmannsheil]
      #389059 - 22/01/25 10:38 AM

In my ongoinging quest to find out more information on the rifle,
I have a cracked stock that I will have duplicated ( I hope soon ), with the stock hardware I obtained ( not from this rifle) it has the rear tang sight and the grip cap. I assume that the receiver will key into the tang sight slot and
the tang is secured with a bolt through the trigger guard, then secured with a pin through the barrel band which I do not have.
Does this make the rifle a true take down? It does not have the latch in the receiver to release from the trigger guard other than removing the screw.

Other question does anyone have the butt plate off their rifle? I need to see just how the spring is attached for the trapdoor in the plate as it is missing.


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Re: Mannlicher description help [Re: Rolland]
      #389063 - 22/01/25 03:11 PM

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I assume that the receiver will key into the tang sight slot and
the tang is secured with a bolt through the trigger guard, then secured with a pin through the barrel band which I do not have.
Does this make the rifle a true take down? It does not have the latch in the receiver to release from the trigger guard other than removing the screw.





Your assumptions are correct.

Refer to the eleventh post of this thread.

Your receiver has the slotted tang as evidenced in post #1.

Your description of stock seems to indicate a 'take down' MS and images a few posts back seem to show proper tang and slot.

Forend pin looks like this:






This is the proper trigger guard for Take Down Model:



Note lever which has pawl to engage 'moon' slot in take down receiver.

You need this and the forend pin to complete a Take Down Model.

Image of trigger guard was from an Ebay listing a year or so ago. Forend pins are unobtanium unless one finds a Take Down 'for parts' that has not lost the most often missing part. If you see an original pin for sale, buy it regardless of cost before it gets away. Otherwise, cozy up to an expert machinist.



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