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Had a privilege to guide a German nobility with Scheiring Kipplauf in 9,3x64 - 75 years old gentleman walked and shot superb - a client one can only wish for...

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Just to get the impression - this is how a hunting occasion usually plays out - I took a vid when I was alone without a client (all stags were hunted and shot in the daylight):

https://youtu.be/NJlcN91Hbic

And an incredible occasion that came up when I was feeding the bears - at 11 a.m. I heard a couple of stags roaring and decided to check them out - slipped beneath the path and after a couple of calls it came - it (young 3 y.o. stag) doesn't get any closer:

https://youtu.be/rJaM4hKYdBc

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Thanks for posting.

So you are hunting on foot in the forests? Not from a stand or hochsitz. Nice.

Hunting in the rut certainly would make it easier in thick forest to find and get a shot at lusty stags.

You got nice and close to both. Especially the second.

Do you use all the venison from rutting stags for humans? Any special treatment when skinning? And also how the older stag meat is used?

Do your clients take the venison home with them? All, some, none, used or sold locally?

I always prefer to take an older male deer out of the rut. The meat is better. Of course hunters think in the rut us easier and other hunters might shoot "your" animal if one waits. For my fallow, an eighteen old doe or twelve month old plus buck for the best tender meat. An older buck is less tender but of course could have twice the venison weight.

Thanks for posting. Always interesting to see hunting some
where else in the world. Europe is of interest always to me, and Central and Eastern Europe especially.

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Very nice rifle. And from your comments a gentleman hunter. What bullet was he using in his beautiful single shot 9.3x64?

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There is more - rifle has a second pair of rifled barrels (O/U - Bergstutz) - I don't know the caliber tho...

He was using a light 10g SAX bullet - he shoots it also over longer distances - out ot 400m, but I have convinced him that when coming here and hunt in the forrests he should switch to 19g TUG

Among other guns - he also possesses marvelous Scheiring side/side 8x57IRS that he brings to the driven hunts...if he comes again with it I will try to take a pic of it

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We ourselves take the heart, liver and tongue. Heart and liver are superb fresh (if they smell we bath them in milk) baked on onion and tongue is dried, seasoned and lately served cut.

Yes - the whole point of hunting stags in the rut is to hear them and then stalk them - much funnier than sit and wait for them

All the venison goes for human food. Stags smell pretty badly in rut time - but a month at -30 deg C takes all the smell out. Clients usually don't take the meat with them, it is sold to a contractor that processes the meat and sells it in big groceries.

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Thanks for the answer

I've taken a couple red stags, several fallow bucks, a chital and a sambar. A great many farmed fallow. I'm thinking none were in the rut. So never had the problem.

An "Australian-Austrian" friend I hunted with was a butcher. He educated me about various aspects. Like never to touch the males glands then touch meat without washing ones hands first. In Zimbabwe when taking a Waterbuck, often a Waterbuck meat is thought to be unpalatable, inedible. But again I was educated,mthe outfitter brought the Waterbuck to the base, washed and shampooed it. Removed the waxy coating. Touching that then the meat spoils the meat. Washed he claimed the meat was fine. The dirty stinky rutting stags might benefit from such treatment, less contamination of the meat.

Red deer in Australia is introduced, feral. Usually no "game" status. Many hunters just wanting a trophy just waste all the meat. Especially if it's in the rut. Many especially armchair internet experts have no respect of any kind for game. Complete low life's.

Of course hunters will hunt in the rut when especially in forests it's easier to find them. Of course many will take the meat or at least the better cuts.

Interesting a month in the freezer fixes it. Mincing the meat into sausage sounds like one end result.

I love good red deer venison, More gamey than fallow. Both are nice.

We used to eat fallow liver fresh after killing, cooked with onions in a fry pan. Always excellent unless one got a crunchy bit.

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He was using a light 10g SAX bullet - he shoots it also over longer distances - out ot 400m, but I have convinced him that when coming here and hunt in the forrests he should switch to 19g TUG

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10 GM's/154 grns is a light bullet for a 9.3.

Must be zipping along fast in a 9.3x64.

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https://sie-hunting.com/produkter/1416-v...stk-375-hh-10g/

10g 154 gr SAX .375 H&H Mag ammo.


I wonder how well this very light bullet works in a ,375.

Looks like 1060 m/s velocity.

What bullet construction?

If it stabilises ok, what game is it designed for?

https://d95713ba19.clvaw-cdnwnd.com/3c0e...p?ph=d95713ba19

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The undersize bullet - as produced e.g. by SAX. The chamber throat is subjected to the greatest thermomechanical stress and therefore suffers wear the fastest. Throat erosion is often the main determining factor of a gun's barrel life. The undersized design is actually too slim, in diameter, for the barrel and would normally fall into the rifling. To guarantee the gas seal, oversized ribs / bands are applied to the bullet. The advantage is that the throat is not stressed so dramatically as with a normal bullet design. The disadvantage is that the bullet reacts more sensitive to barrels that are shot out or not 100% accurate rifled.

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Partial fragmentation bullet - SAX KJG (undersized)

You can see well how the lands rubbed off the guide bands, but did not touch the bullet body.

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https://www.ph-rifles.com/en/bullets-ammunition22/


https://www.sax-munition.de/

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tybw2jSf4pI


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