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eagle27
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Re: Mauser 10.75x68. Let's give it another chance! [Re: DarylS]
      #387239 - 14/10/24 07:31 AM

Very nice 10.75x68 rifle VC. Should perform well.

I've still got a small supply left of the original RWS 347gr soft point bullets some of which I loaded to 2100fps and shot a couple of red deer and some feral goats with in my Mauser 404J. These are steel jacketed bullets and were all pass throughs so don't know how the bullets actually performed other than the animals all fell to the shots.
RWS 347gr soft point.


I have a couple of 10.75x68 cartridges in my collection, a Kynoch with a steel solid and a Berdan primed RWS case with a 285gr steel jacketed hollow point bullet. I was given this cartridge by a German friend but strangely it had no powder and the bullet is a very odd one in weight and style however the copper washed hollow point seems to be factory moulded or punched rather than a 347gr drilled out by someone.

RWS 285gr HP and 347gr SP bullets




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Re: Mauser 10.75x68. Let's give it another chance! [Re: eagle27]
      #387372 - 23/10/24 06:55 AM

Very nice rifle VC! Now I want one. ;-)

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Re: Mauser 10.75x68. Let's give it another chance! [Re: JDL]
      #387377 - 23/10/24 11:41 AM

I suspect with the pure lead core and thin jacket, they must have expanded just fine. Exiting the animal is a nice event, especially when having to track an animal.

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Re: Mauser 10.75x68. Let's give it another chance! [Re: Rolf]
      #387378 - 23/10/24 03:44 PM

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Hello John,

here are some data on the 10,75x68 and the 400grs bullets:

- data copy of "RWS reloading handbook" issue 9
barrel length 60cm / 23.6"
bullet: RWS .423" FMJ RN (has only a thin metal jacket!)
powder Rottweil R902 max. load 61.0grs
obtained speed: 605 m/s // 1985 fps


my personal data from a custom built rifle with a 66cm barrel:

bullet: RWS .423" FMJ RN , OAL beyond the standard of 81,0mm
powder: Dynamit Nobel R902
displayed velocity: 637,7 m/s // 2092 fps
I found out later that the chronograph was overly optimistic and the reading should be reduced by around 20 m/s, which gives a realistic value of ca. 617 m/s / 2024 fps.

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Thank you for your reply and actual velocity readings.

From 1985 to 2024 or 2092 fps with a 400 gr bullet.

An old standard seems to be around 2100 fps for the choice DG bullet. So 1985 fps on paper seems a bit slow.

Only using a 400 gr in the 10.75x68 on actual game, buffalo, elephant, would tell the story, if it's a success story or not. At the marginal lower end of the spectrum.

IMO there is no reason not to try or use .404 400 gr bullets in the 10.75x68. if they can becdriven fast enough, stabilised, penetrate well. The bullets originally designed for the 10.75x68 reportedly suffered from too thin jackets. And not penetrating well. .404 Jeffery bullets if driven at adequate speeds should fix that problem. The original .404 Jeffery drove a 400 gr at around 2100 fps and had a good reputation. If the 1985 to 2924 fps or in that range are adequate, it approaches the original .404 Jeffery.

The 400 gr is a heavier bullets than the 10.75x68 was originally designed for. But we have 320 gr 9.3 mm, 350 gr .375, 450 gr .416, .423 bullets made today. All greater in weight than the original offerings. Often with thicker jackets and with a greater sectional density if driven fast enough and stabilised should penetrate very well.

If using a 9,3, .375, .416, .404 (423) on elephant, I'd be tempted to use these 320, 350, 450 grs bullets in a FMJ specification. Particularly in a bolt action. If the heavier bullets hit a target in a usable way similar to lighter bullets, it makes them very versatile. A double rifle of course needs any regulation issues overcome.

I think a 450 gr in w .500/416 at a good speed is possibly more effective, or very similar to a 480 .450/458 bullet. It would have superior sectional density and penetration at a comparable speed. For a slightly lesser calibre frontal width. Again of course regulation issues aside. I would not have a .500/416 built and permanently regulated for a 450 gr, rather a usual 400 gr.

Back to the 10.75x68. Most certainly a vintage classic suitable for large soft skinned beasts. Which might proven a buffalo and DG cartridge at the lower range with modern powders and bullets.

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Re: Mauser 10.75x68. Let's give it another chance! [Re: Vintage_Canvas]
      #387379 - 23/10/24 03:50 PM

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Very nice rifle.

I'm going to commit vintage classic sacrilege.

I would consider rechambering it to .404 Jeffery, if the barrel twist is comparable. And the action reasonably modifiable.

The original .404s were in standard actions after all.

Nevertheless a fine rifle.

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Re: Mauser 10.75x68. Let's give it another chance! [Re: NitroX]
      #387396 - 24/10/24 01:01 PM

Who is the maker of this last rifle? If it is mentioned earlier in the thread, I missed it.

The stock looks a little like Hoffman Arms’ work (John Dubiel) or one of the British makers.

Nice rifle.


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Re: Mauser 10.75x68. Let's give it another chance! [Re: mckinney]
      #387407 - 25/10/24 02:29 PM

I am not sure?? I bought the rifle from an estate, and the widow do not have any info on who build it?
We have a few good rifle builders here in SA! The stock would need some more work to bring it up to my own standards. But it shoots amazing, with very little recoil, even compared to a 375! The weight, shape of the stock, everything just works!

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Re: Mauser 10.75x68. Let's give it another chance! [Re: Vintage_Canvas]
      #387408 - 25/10/24 02:33 PM

John, my plan is to build another rifle exactly like this one, but in 404 jeff. I have a action and a nice piece of wallnut! I need a barrel and an good gunsmith.
My plan is still to hunt a Buff with the 10.75. Will soon start reloading with 350 - 400gr bullets! Will keep you updated on the results!

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Re: Mauser 10.75x68. Let's give it another chance! [Re: Vintage_Canvas]
      #387420 - 26/10/24 11:10 AM

VC I like your plans and that rifle above is very nice.

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Re: Mauser 10.75x68. Let's give it another chance! [Re: Rule303]
      #387422 - 26/10/24 12:35 PM

VC, I have heard that the 10.75x68 cartridge could at times suffer from some headspace issues due to the shallow case shoulder. Similar to the 400 Whelen cartridge, a heavy firing pin blow could allow the 10.75 case to move forward slightly in the chamber, enough to cause misfires with an indication on the primer of a light strike.
Again, like the Whelen cartridge, careful chambering and careful resizing of cases when reloading will help prevent misfires.
I have a supply of Berdan primed Kynoch 404 Jeffery ammunition from 1963 and have never experienced any issues when firing these cartridges. Perhaps your misfiring with your 10.75 Mauser is more to do with the chamber rather than the firing pin/spring or cartridges per se.

In reference to the RWS 400gr FMJ .423" bullet, when I obtained a supply of these from Australia for reloading my 404 back in the late 70's, they came with a short letter from the supplier warning of the issue of riveting with nickel jacketed bullets. However a simple test showed that the RWS bullets were in fact steel jacketed and while having thin sidewall jackets, they do have a good reinforced nose as can be seen in the image below of one I did section.
I shot a few Aussie buffalo with reloads using the RWS solids and they performed perfectly. The only bullet recovered from any buffalo was sandwiched in the rear hip ball and socket joint of a big bull after it had travelled full length from a frontal shot. The bullet had fishtailed at the rear of the bullet but the nose and jacket overall was intact.

RWS FMJ 401gr bullets, one sectioned showing reinforced nose.


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Re: Mauser 10.75x68. Let's give it another chance! [Re: eagle27]
      #387423 - 26/10/24 01:15 PM

Good looking bullets, those are.

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Re: Mauser 10.75x68. Let's give it another chance! [Re: Rule303]
      #387427 - 26/10/24 10:24 PM

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VC I like your plans and that rifle above is very nice.



Not bloody wrong there - lovely piece of kit indeed!


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Re: Mauser 10.75x68. Let's give it another chance! [Re: 93x64mm]
      #387450 - 28/10/24 04:34 AM

thanks Eagle for the info. I did however sold that rifle!! It might be the case... make sense. My new rifle however works perfect with any type of ammo. But once I start reloading, I will check the headspace! I saw that exact problem with a 9.5x57 Mannlicher, with headspace problems. once we formed the brass at the perfect size to fit the chamber, problem solved!

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Re: Mauser 10.75x68. Let's give it another chance! [Re: Vintage_Canvas]
      #387456 - 28/10/24 07:30 AM

I've stopped FL sizing cases a long time ago. If I am using an FL die to load ammo, I only partial FL size and only size enough of the neck to hold the bullet, never touching the shoulder.
Even though I do like fairly stiff pressure loads in my various calibres, I have never had to "bump" a shoulder, whether the case was rimless, rimmed or belted.
All calibres from CF factory and wildcat necked cases from .17's on up to my .50/70 and .50/95.
Most of the .45's and one .50 had straight cases, except for the .450 Alaskan and .458 Alaskan.

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