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Jeremy Clarkson he won’t be giving up pheasant shooting
      #386488 - 25/08/24 02:53 PM

Jeremy Clarkson on why he won’t be giving up pheasant shooting

If you reckon shooting’s too good for my guests, please chew over this

Jeremy Clarkson

Sunday October 31 2021, 12.01am BST, The Sunday Times

As we are now in the season, it’s a good time to address the issue of game shooting. I enjoy it very much but I’m well aware that all of the nation’s vegetablists — and several enthusiastic meat eaters as well — think it’s disgusting that, in this day and age, a pack of usually drunk Hoorays are allowed to rampage around the countryside in tweed shorts and Range Rovers, killing God’s little creatures for fun.

I respect this point of view. Because if I reared puppies on my farm and then released them from their pens so my mates could try to shoot them as they ran for cover, I would be sent to prison, and rightly so. But the pheasants and partridges I do rear, and then release from their pens so that they can be shot, are not dogs. They barely qualify as creatures as they have the intelligence of an ironing board and the personality of a Liberal Democrat.

There’s more. If you are a carnivore you will accept that an animal should be dead before you break out the horseradish and brandish the knife and fork. Which means someone has to kill it. So what are you saying? That the person charged with this task must be unhappy about it? That he or she must share no jokes with their workmates at the abattoir? And that there should be no gentle flirting round the water cooler?

Of course not. So if you are saying that a person can be happy as he goes about the business of turning a cow into a beef, then why can I not have fun while shooting my pheasants? Or to be precise, shooting at the bit of sky where, moments earlier, a pheasant had been. I’m not a good shot.

Although there are worse. There’s a story I once heard about a famous jockey who went on a pheasant shoot. I won’t say his name here, save to say it begins with a P and ends with an iggott. Anyway, when a bird walked out of the woods in front of him, he raised his gun and began to track it. His loader, standing next to him, thought he was doing this for a laugh and only began to worry as the bird approached the line of “guns” — they’re the people in the tweed shorts — because the one thing you never do, apart from shooting a bird on the ground, is point your gun at someone. Ever.

Eventually, as the gun swung towards the people, the ruddy-faced instructor was forced to intervene, asking what our nameless friend was doing exactly. And he got the reply: “I’m waiting for it to stand still.”

That’s the thing about pheasant shooting. It’s not supposed to be easy. The bird must be flying when you shoot at it, and even then not just cruising around at head height. Smoking a low hen is considered very poor form. It must be high, like Telstar, and flitting in and out of the clouds as it screams towards you doing 45mph.

This means you must not aim directly at it, because by the time you’ve decided to fire and you’ve pulled the trigger and the shot has covered the distance to the bird, it’ll be long gone. You need to shoot in front of it. A long way in front. I’ve been told that in the war anti-aircraft gunners had to shoot a mile in front of a Heinkel if they wanted to hit it. A mile!

Working out how far in front of a bird you need to be is tricky. Because you have to calculate the bird’s speed and the wind and consider the fact that over a distance of 70 yards your shot will droop by maybe 14 inches. And you’ve got to do that in a millionth of a second. Incredibly some people can, even with low-powered 20-bore shotguns. Some can even work out trajectory, knowing precisely where to shoot the bird so that it lands on a mate’s head. AA Gill used to try and do this to me all the time.

Luckily he was also a useless shot. Because a pheasant crashing into your head at 45mph will kill you. A bird I once shot ended up on a chap’s Range Rover and afterwards it looked like someone had crash-landed a helicopter gunship on the bonnet. The damage was huge.

And now you’re feeling uncomfortable because you’re reading about the slaughter of birds in the name of japery. Hmm. Yes, there are shoots where the birds are bulldozed into the ground after the day’s drinking is over and that’s indefensible. But on my shoot all of the guests and all of the beaters go home with their supper. We really are shooting food. Except when I once got bored and shot a trout. That was pretty much inedible.

And it’s not food that was reared in a shed, in artificial light, up to its knees in its own faeces like the chicken you’re having for lunch today. A pheasant can fly away at any time, but it chooses to hang around because it’s fed and watered and given a home. It has a genuinely happy life.

Is there a better way of killing it than shooting it? Well, I suppose I could sneak up on it in a camo suit and strangle it, or beat it over the head with a stick, but would that be better? I’m not sure it would. Given the choice I’d definitely prefer to be shot.

And there’s more. When someone has a shoot, they manage the woodland in which the birds live more carefully than if they did not. They clear away what’s harmful and leave wild patches around the edges and all of this makes life better for insects and other birds too.

You watch what flies out of a game crop before the pheasants become airborne. Hundreds and hundreds of songbirds, birds that would have nothing to eat and nowhere to shelter were it not for Rupert, Rupert, Rupert and Nigel.

And from this year onwards the meat shoots produce won’t be so full of lead because lead shot is being phased out. We must use alternatives such as steel instead. Not sure why, as I can’t imagine the birds care either way. Crows do. They know exactly what gun you have and what shot you’re using and always fly just out of range. Generations of pheasants, on the other hand, keep coming at you, hoping that if they do the same thing over and over again the result might one day be different. Which it is if they fly over me, because I usually miss.

I get that Chris Packham wants pheasant shooting banned but I think he’s wrong. I think that if there were no shooting, landowners would be less bothered about looking after their land. I think a great many countrymen who earn a living on shoots would lose their jobs.

I think woods would be bulldozed to make way for something profitable, and I think we’d not only have less choice of what to eat, but also that what we were offered would somehow be less wholesome.

So, sure, campaign to end shooting by all means, but know this. What you’re actually doing is waging a class war. You’re not trying to make a pheasant’s life better, because it’s already very good and frankly you don’t really care either way. No. What you’re actually doing is trying to make a Rupert’s life worse and that, to me, seems a bit petty......

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Re: Jeremy Clarkson he won’t be giving up pheasant shooting [Re: NitroX]
      #386497 - 26/08/24 02:34 AM

What an excellent rebuttal and enjoyable read with some humour as well.

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Re: Jeremy Clarkson he won’t be giving up pheasant shooting [Re: DarylS]
      #386498 - 26/08/24 05:31 AM

Bravo!!!
I raise just a few phezzies on the ranch here for a couple/three shoots w/ my son-in-law.
Great fun and I don't care what anyone else thinks.



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Re: Jeremy Clarkson he won’t be giving up pheasant shooting [Re: 9.3x57]
      #386499 - 26/08/24 06:12 AM

When I started to read it I could hear his English voice booming in my head with all it quirks & idiosyncrasies.
Always liked his humour, especially the sarcasm for the idiots of this world!
Heaven knows the world's full of them, likewise I won't give something up as enjoyable either, might only be rabbits & ducks instead of pheasants!


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Re: Jeremy Clarkson he won’t be giving up pheasant shooting [Re: 93x64mm]
      #386501 - 26/08/24 06:38 AM

I like his humour and his sarcasm. Though I think most of this is lost on the anti's.

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Re: Jeremy Clarkson he won’t be giving up pheasant shooting [Re: Rule303]
      #386507 - 26/08/24 11:41 AM

What is that shotgun Rod. It looks VERY familiar.

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Re: Jeremy Clarkson he won’t be giving up pheasant shooting [Re: DarylS]
      #386514 - 26/08/24 11:04 PM

Quote:

What is that shotgun Rod. It looks VERY familiar.




26" bbl Browning Citori.



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Re: Jeremy Clarkson he won’t be giving up pheasant shooting [Re: 9.3x57]
      #386515 - 26/08/24 11:36 PM

Rod,

Tell us about your pheasant breeding and shooting. How many do you breed to shoot? Broody hens or incubator? What about the timelines, how long in the egg? Incubator? Transfer to an enclosed pen? Open pen? Feeding in place ? Etc. Released into the wild how long before a shoot? Predation? Any tips?

I've a book somewhere I should read. Or buy, if I never bought it.

Can anyone recommend a good breeding, shooting practicable book?

I've wanted to breed some pheasant, quail, partridge for a long time. Never have. I've been nervous about the incubation process. And the need to reliably monitor. Broody hens are less productive, but cheaper and less responsibility. Need to build a nice permant covered fly pen to keep some in. Need a good property to release them on as well. Though I'd probably just release a few at home for fun. My foxes would be a very big problem. I don't like feeding foxes.

A few to shoot would be fun.

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Re: Jeremy Clarkson he won’t be giving up pheasant shooting [Re: NitroX]
      #386516 - 27/08/24 12:34 AM

Nitro:

What I planned and how it worked out are two different things.

My goal was to get some established on my place and the surrounding area. So for some years I bought 75 or so chicks in the spring, raised till feathered in a mesh-covered old stock tank under red heat lamps (to keep them from killing each other...which some broods will...) Then I released them after full feathering, the last few months they being raised in a pen they could fly around in.

(Collecting them for release in the dark is the way...otherwise it's absolute mayhem...)

All went well with a number seen here and there but only for the year I released them in, occasionally we'd see a couple survivors the next year. What we saw happening was they were killed off quickly by our super-abundant numbers of eagles, hawks and owls. I'd find the scattered remains all over the place and we'd see eagles diving from time to time then find the feathers. (Back in the day, all those predatory birds were considered vermin and shot on sight. Now it's a Federal crime with stiff fines, prison time, etc. IMO many of our wild game bird populations suffer as a result.)

I did shoot a few.

At any rate, of the hundreds released, effectively, we had no annual recruitment leading to an established population.

So after that, having the pen, I just raised a few to train my Lab. 40 or so a year. That worked out really well in that the dog gets excited around the pen, I suppose learns their smell, etc and then gets on a good number of birds, gets the retrieval down and that all translates into good work on grouse which we did have in some (declining...) number. Not many phezzies per year: about 40 or so, but released in two's or threes or more if a friend was over in brush and fields and given some time to run around, the dog had to work a bit to find them. Worked out great. Was a lot of fun, too. Spend a nice morning in the field, work the dog and wind up with a nice lunch and supper or two.

Alas, my old guy in the pic there went down last December. I've got a new Lab and have just a few birds this year (21) to work him on. He's just 7 months old and will be around 8 when I start.

As for how well a dog learns the ropes on pen birds, a story from about 10 years ago:

Friend of mine had a very fine Brittany. He hunted her quite a lot on the Indian ground west of us and did really well with her.

I had put out 8 or 10 as I remember and he came over and we had a good time, the object now with my "law" changed, to get every bird. By lunch time we were done, had a lot of fun working his dog which seemed to appreciate the action which was more than the usual rough country hunts where my friend took her. (No bag limit due to being pen raised, tho technically, any bird lost on a day becomes state property).

We got all but one. And we spent a lot of time trying to find that one, eventually the dog getting tired (maybe us, too...) we left the field.

Late that afternoon I was a bit rested and my Lab was jealous at not being along for the earlier hunt so I brought him over to the general area where we'd hunted and in short time he flushed that last bird and I shot it. My Lab was very proud of himself!

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Re: Jeremy Clarkson he won’t be giving up pheasant shooting [Re: NitroX]
      #386531 - 27/08/24 08:36 PM

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... they have the intelligence of an ironing board and the personality of a Liberal Democrat.
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That will be elevated to the ole "quotes to remember" section of my memories.


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Re: Jeremy Clarkson he won’t be giving up pheasant shooting [Re: LRF]
      #386532 - 28/08/24 03:13 AM

Excellent response from one of my favorite brits to watch on the television.

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      #386533 - 28/08/24 10:22 PM

Thanks Rod for such a long informative reply.

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Nitro:

What I planned and how it worked out are two different things.

My goal was to get some established on my place and the surrounding area. So for some years I bought 75 or so chicks in the spring, raised till feathered in a mesh-covered old stock tank under red heat lamps (to keep them from killing each other...which some broods will...) Then I released them after full feathering, the last few months they being raised in a pen they could fly around in.

(Collecting them for release in the dark is the way...otherwise it's absolute mayhem...)

All went well with a number seen here and there but only for the year I released them in, occasionally we'd see a couple survivors the next year. What we saw happening was they were killed off quickly by our super-abundant numbers of eagles, hawks and owls. I'd find the scattered remains all over the place and we'd see eagles diving from time to time then find the feathers. (Back in the day, all those predatory birds were considered vermin and shot on sight. Now it's a Federal crime with stiff fines, prison time, etc. IMO many of our wild game bird populations suffer as a result.)

I did shoot a few.

At any rate, of the hundreds released, effectively, we had no annual recruitment leading to an established population.





I fear few or no pheasants would survive long here either. I didn't think of eagles and hawks. But we have feral cats, house cats from neighbours. And lots of foxes. Ground nesting birds don't last long. Therd are some native birds. Occasionally I see a quail blow out of my vineyard grass mid rows.


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So after that, having the pen, I just raised a few to train my Lab. 40 or so a year. That worked out really well in that the dog gets excited around the pen, I suppose learns their smell, etc and then gets on a good number of birds, gets the retrieval down and that all translates into good work on grouse which we did have in some (declining...) number. Not many phezzies per year: about 40 or so, but released in two's or threes or more if a friend was over in brush and fields and given some time to run around, the dog had to work a bit to find them. Worked out great. Was a lot of fun, too. Spend a nice morning in the field, work the dog and wind up with a nice lunch and supper or two.

Alas, my old guy in the pic there went down last December. I've got a new Lab and have just a few birds this year (21) to work him on. He's just 7 months old and will be around 8 when I start.





Sad about your old boy. Eventually the new fellow makes up for it. My young fellow is half on the sofa right now for his pre sleep pats and cuddles after eating.

I've never trained my dogs for pheasants. Or quail either. They should be. Ducks, pigeons. He is interested in rabbits and deer. Unfortunately also roos.


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As for how well a dog learns the ropes on pen birds, a story from about 10 years ago:

Friend of mine had a very fine Brittany. He hunted her quite a lot on the Indian ground west of us and did really well with her.

I had put out 8 or 10 as I remember and he came over and we had a good time, the object now with my "law" changed, to get every bird. By lunch time we were done, had a lot of fun working his dog which seemed to appreciate the action which was more than the usual rough country hunts where my friend took her. (No bag limit due to being pen raised, tho technically, any bird lost on a day becomes state property).





Stuff "state property".

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We got all but one. And we spent a lot of time trying to find that one, eventually the dog getting tired (maybe us, too...) we left the field.

Late that afternoon I was a bit rested and my Lab was jealous at not being along for the earlier hunt so I brought him over to the general area where we'd hunted and in short time he flushed that last bird and I shot it. My Lab was very proud of himself!




Good dog.

Thanks again for the long information reply. Interesting comments.

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Re: Jeremy Clarkson he won’t be giving up pheasant shooting [Re: NitroX]
      #386534 - 29/08/24 03:47 AM

People that I know that raise quail lose a number to them to cooper hawks, feral cats, rattle snakes, hogs, foxes, and coyotes. With the exception of hawks, all are shot on sight.

Unfortunately too many preditors are nocturnal and have to be hunted at night. If there is good, thick ground cover like briar, blackberrys, etc, quails are able to run away from many preditors.

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Re: Jeremy Clarkson he won’t be giving up pheasant shooting [Re: NitroX]
      #386543 - 30/08/24 11:23 AM

Thank you so much, Nitro.

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