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mickey
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Double Triggers vs Single Triggers
      #38608 - 03/10/05 04:27 AM

Which is Best?

I've used Double triggers on Double rifles and guns my whole life. Are they really that much better than single triggers? Are they more reliable?



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Re: Double Triggers vs Single Triggers [Re: mickey]
      #38610 - 03/10/05 06:02 AM

Micky

I have owned both single and double trigger rifles and shotguns, but peronally prefer double triggers. I have never had a single trigger fail me in any way, be it rifle or shotgun, but find it much easer to select which barrel as to choke I want to use on a shotgun. As to barrel selection on a double rifle, I personally do not see where it really makes much difference which barrel is fired first, especially if one is in a dangerious situation. As long as you make a good shot and live to tell the story, who cares which barrel you use first?

I think at the turn of the century, the firing mechanisms were probably not as good as they are today and it was best to have double triggers on a rifle, especially when it can to DG.. Today I think trigger mechanisms are far better and more reliable.

Like I stated, I still prefer double triggers on a shotgun because of faster choke selection. Also, I grew up with double triggers and they are actually easier for me to use.

Be it good, bad or indifferent, this is my opinion and what I prefer.

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Re: Double Triggers vs Single Triggers [Re: MauserRifle]
      #38614 - 03/10/05 06:46 AM


Mickey,

I agree with Mauserrifle.

I grew up with them (Double Triggers) so they are Natural for me.

I think some Single Triggers in the past were OK (Boss) but
I still wouldn't have one on a DG Double Rifle.

I also find it easier to switch triggers than use a barrel
selector switch if I want to shoot a Solid first or the open
choked barrel, however I can understand that younger
generation who have only known Single Triggers
would not like Double Triggers.

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Re: Double Triggers vs Single Triggers [Re: 500Nitro]
      #38615 - 03/10/05 07:02 AM

500Nitro

I'm with you about the double triggers on DG, as good as new rifles are today, with my luck I would be the last person in history to be killed by a charging (termite or whatever) because the single trigger malfunctioned.

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Re: Double Triggers vs Single Triggers [Re: MauserRifle]
      #38616 - 03/10/05 07:35 AM


MauserRifle

Wouldn't it be fnny if someone was using a .22 double rifle and got killed
or overrun by a swarm of mice !!!

Re double triggers
I think it comes down to what you were brought up with, what you know,
what you have practised with.

When hunting DG, I just don't want to have to think at all about what I am
doing and just let my practised brain processes take over - which is what
normally happens.

Hence why all of my DG DR's don't have Auto Safeties as when the pressure
is on will be the time you forget to take it off.

The same reason I try to have all of my DG Bolt Guns as Mauser 98's
even though I don't use safeties in the field if I am near DG, I just get
uses to the feel of Mausers.

However, this year when I was unexpectidly charge by a Cow Buffalo
I had a Ruger M77 in 338 with 6x Scope. Luckily I had practised
with my eyes shut a couple of time to get the brain used to having
a borrowed rifle in my hands. So when she charged, it was automatic.

Anyway, here's to being overrun by a load of mice

While I think of it, better get those .22 solids out for the frontal brain shot !!!

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Re: Double Triggers vs Single Triggers [Re: 500Nitro]
      #38621 - 03/10/05 08:15 AM

Like MauserRifle, I think most triggers you would find on a double rifle will be very reliable. However, anything that can break, will break, when you need it most, in my experience.

The difference is, if a single trigger breaks the rifle is out of service for the rest of the safari. If it breaks while you are sighting in for the PH, then your light rifle better be able to take care of everything you are hunting, or you are out of service as well. If it breaks durring a charge, you may be more out of service than the rifle, in the end. At least if you have double triggers and one breaks, you still have a big bore single shot, rather than a 10 pound club in your hands.

Gentlemen, it is a matter of choice, and you are welcome to spend an extra thousand dollars for a single trigger on you DG double, if you want. I will spend that $1K on a second Buffalo, and still hit him with my double, even if one of my triggers breaks! A double trigger breaking can put the whole rifle out of service as well, but I'd like to see the odds of it happening compared to a broken single trigger doing the same!

Just like the manual safety, double triggers will always be my choice on any double I use for a DGR!

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Re: Double Triggers vs Single Triggers [Re: DUGABOY1]
      #38622 - 03/10/05 08:29 AM


Dugaboy1

"A double trigger breaking can put the whole rifle out of service as well, but I'd like to see
the odds of it happening compared to a broken single trigger doing the same!

A very good point indeed

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Re: Double Triggers vs Single Triggers [Re: 500Nitro]
      #38637 - 03/10/05 11:09 AM

500Nitro

I do the same thing with my rifles. All my bolt rifles are Brno ZKK's and are identical in every way. I send the ones I hunt with off to my gunsmith and have them made identical in every way, express sights, H&H barrel band flip up night sicht, barrel band swivels, Mod. 70 custom grade inletted rear sling swivel, double renforceing bolts, hand rubbed oil finish stocks, same length of pull and drop in stocks so that the open sights can be used easely, factory triggers and I leave the safetys the way they come from the factory, backwards from most American rifles. The only thing diffrent about the rifles is the caliber and weight. Other than that, when you pick one up they are exactly the same.

Outside of a collection of Browing Double Autos I have, all of my shotguns are double barrels, all older ones with more drop in the stocks, double triggers, and manual safetys. Again, except for weight and guage, they are identical in function and operation. DR's are set up the same as the shotguns, double tr4iggers and manual safetys. The one thing that is different of the double shotguns and rifles is the ejection systeem, some have ejectors and the others have extractors. Other than that they are the same.

I gusess I can be called crazy, but I like the function to be automatic, the same in every respect. To me it makes life easier and everything functions automatically and naturally in the field, sepecially if MURPHAYS LAW TAKES HOLD!

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Re: Double Triggers vs Single Triggers [Re: MauserRifle]
      #38640 - 03/10/05 11:40 AM


MauserRifle

Glad to see I am not the only person who does it with
DG Bolt Guns and DG DR's.

Interestingly, with the Shotguns I own, I still get in trouble
on the range as I won't touch the safety's on some of them
so I know that having everything the same works.

As to Ejectors / Extractors, I don't really mind which as from practice
I am almost as fast (we're talking Max 1 second difference here)
with Extractors as I am with Ejectors.


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Re: Double Triggers vs Single Triggers [Re: 500Nitro]
      #38643 - 03/10/05 12:07 PM

500Nitro

In all honesty, I have never had any problems between ejectors and extractors either. For some reason, it just seems to flow naturally no matter which one I am using. I suppose it is because you are reaching for the chamber no matter which one you are using!

At any rate, it just seems to come naturally.

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Re: Double Triggers vs Single Triggers [Re: mickey]
      #38646 - 03/10/05 01:43 PM

For the most part, I like DT's better. But, there is an application where a SST is far superior. I much prefer them on a BBF. When hunting primarily birds, I want the first pull to be little pellets out a tube. When hunting primarily big game, I want the single slug hurling down range.

I once dead centered a Francolin with a 285 gr Norma Oryx by pulling the wrong trigger on my DT Tikka BBF...12 over 9,3. It would have caused my welcome back at the main house...300 yards exactly down range...to have deteriorated about as fast as that francolin vanished in mid-air, had the bullet missed the hapless bird.

I like to set the trigger on my SST Valmet receiver to whatever barrel I would most likely use, given what I am presently hunting.

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Re: Double Triggers vs Single Triggers [Re: mickey]
      #38721 - 04/10/05 03:21 PM

A double rifle with 2 triggers is basicly 2 single shot rifles joined together .
If one fails ,the other side should still function ,where as with a single trigger the odds of having a barrel that still functions are seriously reduced. IMO

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