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3DogMike
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Holland & Holland 10bore 1882
#386037 - 27/07/24 06:29 AM

Recently acquired this 10 bore Holland and Holland Double Rifle finished and sold in 1882

3 1/4" case, 26" Damascus barrels, 14lbs 8oz, barrels weigh a stout 7lbs 4oz
Fully rifled, 9 groove rifling with ~1-85 twist proof stamped 11 and groove-groove is ~.780
Non rebounding locks, so one MUST bring the hammers to 1/2 cock before opening the breech.

I have brass 10 bore cases and a proper ball mould from Tanner Ball Moulds, UK so I should have it shooting soon.

EDIT: added more pictures
- Mike

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"Will Rogers never met a fighter pilot"
- Anon

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-- W. C. Fields

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93x64mm
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Re: Holland & Holland 10bore 1882 [Re: 3DogMike]
#386038 - 27/07/24 07:05 AM

Lovely piece Mike!
Looks like she has Damascus barrels?
Beautifully restored by the looks

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3DogMike
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Re: Holland & Holland 10bore 1882 [Re: 93x64mm]
#386042 - 27/07/24 01:03 PM

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Lovely piece Mike!
Looks like she has Damascus barrels?
Beautifully restored by the looks

Yes, Damascus barrels.
The metal finish seems to be all original. Action & lock plates worn to a nice patina with some faded case color in the protected areas.
Damascus is not badly worn, just some age and use fading of the Damascus. Barrels and chambers are bright & shiny, no evident wear.
Buttstock has been refinished tho shows pretty well in spite of that.

This one has a 5 digit W&C Scott number ahead of the fore end loop that dates to 1881. So the rifle was likely bought in from W&C Scott then final appointments by Holland & Holland.
- Mike

Glamour shot:

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- Anon

“Always carry a flask of whiskey in case of snakebite, and furthermore always carry a small snake."
-- W. C. Fields

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DarylS
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Re: Holland & Holland 10bore 1882 [Re: 3DogMike]
#386053 - 28/07/24 01:10 AM

What a treasure!!

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Daryl

"a gun without hammers is like a Spaniel without ears" King George V

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Marrakai
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Re: Holland & Holland 10bore 1882 [Re: DarylS]
#386062 - 28/07/24 06:47 PM

3Dog:
Check that it's not chambered for the paper case.
More common than brass in early 1880s if my vintage cartridge collection is any indication!
Pretty hard to get best results unless the projectile is within a thou or two of groove diameter.

Lovely gun! I share the envy of everyone here.

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3DogMike
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Re: Holland & Holland 10bore 1882 [Re: Marrakai]
#386064 - 29/07/24 01:41 AM

Quote:

3Dog:
Check that it's not chambered for the paper case.
More common than brass in early 1880s if my vintage cartridge collection is any indication!
Pretty hard to get best results unless the projectile is within a thou or two of groove diameter.

Lovely gun! I share the envy of everyone here.

Hi Tony,
I should have included this in the description, the rifle is in fact a "paper case" chamber & bore. As you say, "pasteboard shells" (and "spherical bullets") were the usual thing in the early 1880's.
I have specially dimensioned (thick mouth) brass cases to allow proper fit to chamber and allow correct size ball.
- Mike

From Greener's "Modern Sportsmen's Gun & Rifle" 1882

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"Will Rogers never met a fighter pilot"
- Anon

“Always carry a flask of whiskey in case of snakebite, and furthermore always carry a small snake."
-- W. C. Fields

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3DogMike
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Re: Holland & Holland 10bore 1882 [Re: 3DogMike]
#386091 - 30/07/24 04:46 AM

Range day: 30 yards
Lower pair was 8 Drams Olde Eynsford 2F, lubed wads, and 680 grain .778" round ball cast 1-20 with SPG lube.
Upper pair was 72 grains of Blue Dot (Cal Pappas load), nitro card and filler wads, same 680 grain ball with LBT Blue Lube.
Right-Left and no crossing on either powder.

Bottom single hole was a sighter shot

EDIT LATER: Did not have the chronograph with me today, next time out will chrono 2 of the 8 Dram BP loads to see how close they come to to the 1880's advertised speeds.
- Mike

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"Will Rogers never met a fighter pilot"
- Anon

“Always carry a flask of whiskey in case of snakebite, and furthermore always carry a small snake."
-- W. C. Fields

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Re: Holland & Holland 10bore 1882 [Re: 3DogMike]
#386092 - 30/07/24 06:02 AM

Nothing wrong with both BP or Nitro loads Mike!
You're on a winning combination either way.
Well done mate!

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DarylS
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Re: Holland & Holland 10bore 1882 [Re: 93x64mm]
#386098 - 30/07/24 08:11 AM

That BP load shows shooting parallel. The BD load has ZERO flies on it as well.

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Daryl

"a gun without hammers is like a Spaniel without ears" King George V

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rigbymauser
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Re: Holland & Holland 10bore 1882 [Re: 3DogMike]
#386570 - 01/09/24 07:25 AM

Quote:

Quote:

3Dog:
Check that it's not chambered for the paper case.
More common than brass in early 1880s if my vintage cartridge collection is any indication!
Pretty hard to get best results unless the projectile is within a thou or two of groove diameter.

Lovely gun! I share the envy of everyone here.

Hi Tony,
I should have included this in the description, the rifle is in fact a "paper case" chamber & bore. As you say, "pasteboard shells" (and "spherical bullets") were the usual thing in the early 1880's.
I have specially dimensioned (thick mouth) brass cases to allow proper fit to chamber and allow correct size ball.
- Mike

From Greener's "Modern Sportsmen's Gun & Rifle" 1882

The image is from J.H. Walsh ...:LOL

Congratulations with the fine piece you have. Its nice to experience that there is still a few around that has an interest in these ol`timers.

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Re: Holland & Holland 10bore 1882 [Re: rigbymauser]
#386691 - 07/09/24 05:36 AM

Magnificent!!

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Re: Holland & Holland 10bore 1882 [Re: degoins]
#386907 - 21/09/24 08:23 PM

Mike, you are on the right track. That's a nice rifle and should serve you quite well. The bores look to be almost new!

Your next report should be the harvest of a Colorado elk.

Good luck,
Curly

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3DogMike
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Re: Holland & Holland 10bore 1882 [Re: CptCurl]
#386914 - 22/09/24 06:42 AM

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….Snip……

Your next report should be the harvest of a Colorado elk.

Good luck,
Curly

Roscoe,
At 14lbs 8oz I’d kindly let you be my gunbearer on said Colorado Elk hunt in mountains at ~9,000-10,000 feet

- Mike

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"Will Rogers never met a fighter pilot"
- Anon

“Always carry a flask of whiskey in case of snakebite, and furthermore always carry a small snake."
-- W. C. Fields

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DarylS
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Re: Holland & Holland 10bore 1882 [Re: 3DogMike]
#386918 - 23/09/24 02:42 AM

That's too heavy for this old codger. Bet the recoil is very low and slow.

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Daryl

"a gun without hammers is like a Spaniel without ears" King George V

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3DogMike
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Re: Holland & Holland 10bore 1882 [Re: DarylS]
#386922 - 23/09/24 12:02 PM

"Recoil is low & slow"….just like me

I made 72 years the other day and I'm in decent shape….BUT…..14+lbs up & down Colorado mountains carried on my own 2 legs? Not any more.
- Mike

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"Will Rogers never met a fighter pilot"
- Anon

“Always carry a flask of whiskey in case of snakebite, and furthermore always carry a small snake."
-- W. C. Fields

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Re: Holland & Holland 10bore 1882 [Re: 3DogMike]
#387323 - 20/10/24 06:53 PM

Lovely rifle, congratulations

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