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Seven scope myths most shooters believe
      #385304 - 18/06/24 06:33 PM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ebKIbv8rv3Q

Seven scope myths most shooters believe


What do you think?

I know I could miss out all the guff from the "Elements scope maker" sales man ... Especially the price discussion in video advertising ...

What about thicker tubes, say 25 vs 35 mm tubes, the guy claims the thicker tube has nothing to do with increased light transmission? True or not? Obviously all the Euro s old makers have got it wrong then ... ? ....

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Re: Seven scope myths most shooters believe [Re: NitroX]
      #385308 - 18/06/24 09:53 PM

Concerning the tube and objective diameter question I believe the video pretty much got it right. There are a lot of variables that one must consider and in many cases weigh one against another. Here is another short video that supports the first video. (I think the biggest attribute for the larger diameter tube is the potential increase in reticle adjustment available.)
Scope diameter


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Re: Seven scope myths most shooters believe [Re: LRF]
      #385309 - 19/06/24 01:53 AM

The "potential" for greater light transmission & scope adjustment increases lies with tube diameter, I believe.
Element scopes appear to be amongst the very best at reticle adjustment by cranking the turrets. This is obvious when watching the turret crankers shooting various in-game animals and birds with air rifles having HUGE trajectories.
The repeatability is absolutley amazing.

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Re: Seven scope myths most shooters believe [Re: DarylS]
      #385310 - 19/06/24 02:00 AM

Wasn't able to watch the videos as my internet connection was too weak this morning.

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Re: Seven scope myths most shooters believe [Re: DarylS]
      #385319 - 19/06/24 01:14 PM

The video seems to be on the mark for most/all their points. At least from what I have been taught/learnt.

I can not talk for Element scopes as I have never seen one let alone had a play with one. However the higher end Euro scopes tend to have better clarity, tracking and durability then others. Talking hunting scopes here and just what I have found.

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Re: Seven scope myths most shooters believe [Re: LRF]
      #385327 - 19/06/24 06:26 PM

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(I think the biggest attribute for the larger diameter tube is the potential increase in reticle adjustment available.)




Putting aside the opening links' USA obsession for "long range" shooting.

With a lot or most Euro hunting scopes being often made for low light or night hunting. Ranges are often not great. Wounding lots of animals at 1000 metres would loose a Euro hunting licence pretty quickly. And all Euro hunting scopes having closed cap turrets, designed to be sighted in, cap screwed on, used without adjusting the reticle in the field. What then is the alleged benefit of an "increase in reticle adjustment"? Seeing most are now 30 mm and 35 mm monstrosities,

I think I know the answer, variable scope ranges. A 25 or 26 mm tube usually has a 3x range, 3-9x, 4-12x etc. 30 mm and 35 mm tubes can have a 6x or even 8x variable range, 1-6x even 1-8x.

And still have good light transmission for low light hunting.

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Re: Seven scope myths most shooters believe [Re: NitroX]
      #385328 - 19/06/24 06:29 PM

No mention of illuminated reticles in the opening video link.

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Re: Seven scope myths most shooters believe [Re: LRF]
      #385329 - 19/06/24 06:44 PM

Quote:

Concerning the tube and objective diameter question I believe the video pretty much got it right. There are a lot of variables that one must consider and in many cases weigh one against another. Here is another short video that supports the first video. (I think the biggest attribute for the larger diameter tube is the potential increase in reticle adjustment available.)
Scope diameter




I think that video actually says the opposite.

Firstly the video is advertising for the Vortex scope makers who have made the video.

They then try to say a quality made scope is better than a low quality cheap scope ... Duh ....

They compare a cheap low quality scope with a larger objective lens and wider tube to a SUPER DOOPER VORTEX SUPER PREMIUM scope, claiming the Vortex has better light transmission.

At the end he does admit a larger objective lens and presumably wider tube ALL OTHER THINGS BEING EQUAL will provide more light transmission. Of course.

The larger lenses of the objective and wider tube WILL make that scope more expensive for quality lens of greater size compared to a smaller scope. A high quality larger lens will always cost more than a smaller equally quality lens.


I'll go out on a limb, I'm guessing neither Vortex nor Elements are making wider tube scopes, maybe 30 mm, but not 35 mm. And their videos have self serving arguments as part of the paud advertising.

The Elements guff repeatedly comparing a "$700 scope to a $3500 scope" was pretty obviously advertising.

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Re: Seven scope myths most shooters believe [Re: NitroX]
      #385330 - 19/06/24 06:57 PM

I'm not a lens physic expert but I disagree with the tube diameter being irrelevant to light transmission.

I did a Google search on telescopes and lens size. It's Always mentioned the larger the lens the more light is gathered. While size of the telescope is mentioned, width etc, it's not in a brief reading mentioned if subsequent lens are relevant or not. But I can't see how the first is relevant and later lenses are not. These giant telescopes have pretty much straight tubes, unlike a rifle scope. I'm unaware of the constructin inside these straight tubed telescopes.

Secondly hunting spotting scopes. Why are their designs similar to a telescope and not a hunting scope? More or less straight tubed spotting/telescopes. Increased magnification to a hunting scope, but need always increased light transmission. They don't need the fine precise movements of a reticle.

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Re: Seven scope myths most shooters believe [Re: NitroX]
      #385339 - 20/06/24 01:57 AM

Element scopes are quite famous for perfect "tracking of the reticle" for repeat tracking over and over.
I don't know how big a gun(recoil-wise) they are recommended for, but do know of them being used up to .260Rem., which of course is mild recoil.
Guys are using them on higher quality air rifles for shooting vermin and pest birds out to extended ranges, like 180meters with pellets and well as slugs started below the speed of sound. We're talking about excessively high trajectories with perfect tracking of the reticles. Even the least expensive one at $450.00 cdn. has perfect tracking. Of course these scopes are primarily for turret crankers.


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