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Marrakai
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Re: Something new, Uberti Colt Army 1860 .44 BP [Re: sharps4590]
      #385991 - 24/07/24 09:25 AM

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Just dry firing it so far.



I trust you don't mean this literally!
Best way known to chip or peen the nipples...

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Huvius
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Re: Something new, Uberti Colt Army 1860 .44 BP [Re: Jim_C]
      #385992 - 24/07/24 09:46 AM

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When I mess with them, I'm still making cartridges using nitrated paper wrapped around a wood former, but there is a commercial system with good instructions and video here: https://cartridgekits.com/

Typically, you don't need to break the paper before inserting in the cylinder: compression of the cartridge when seating the ball will split the cartridge, or the flash from the cap will burn through. I've not noticed any loss of consistency when using them, though they do tend to be a bit less accurate than match loads loaded as mixed components. I only make them with conicals (vs. round balls), and I'm sure this is a factor in accuracy.




I’ve made guncotton before which is, I’m guessing, a similar process to making nitrided paper with high cotton content paper.
Guncotton is fun for sure - still haven’t tried it in a cartridge yet though.

One little thing I ran into the other day is the effect the guncotton interacts with steel.
I had a plastic bag with some guncotton in it - open to keep it dry - sitting on top of some bullet molds (happened to be where I set it) and all of my molds within a few inches of the bag developed a fine dusty coat of rust!
I believe it is the residual sulphuric acid in the cotton aerating and settling around the proximity of the bag.
A similar thing happened when I put a plastic jug of hydrochloric acid in my cabinet and a bunch of my steel tools rusted in the cabinet. That was a half full gallon of acid for the pool with a tight cap.

The molds cleaned up easily enough fortunately.
It did make me think that there could be an alternate method of browning barrels using a sealed acidic environment though.

Now, back to your regular scheduled program. Which I totally dig. Love Josey Wales!

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Re: Something new, Uberti Colt Army 1860 .44 BP [Re: Marrakai]
      #385993 - 24/07/24 11:51 AM

Quote:

Quote:

Just dry firing it so far.



I trust you don't mean this literally!
Best way known to chip or peen the nipples...




One chamber has no nipple.

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Re: Something new, Uberti Colt Army 1860 .44 BP [Re: Marrakai]
      #387589 - 07/11/24 01:24 AM

The localmguys make their own Bore Butter. The commercial product is considered unsuitable on warm days. Their formula was either 50:50, or 75:25, Beeswax to Olive Oil.

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Re: Something new, Uberti Colt Army 1860 .44 BP [Re: NitroX]
      #387590 - 07/11/24 01:36 AM

What tools are essential ?

A powder flask with a measure.
A tool to help seat thevwad and ball sufficiently into the cylinder chambers.
A tool to help seat the cap on the nipple.

A nipple wrench?

I need a extra nipple. My revolver had only five.

A tooth brush for cleaning?
A brass brush to clean chambers?
Barisol?
Barisol spray?
Cleaning patches?
Barrel wire brush, Jagd, cleaning rod etc?
Lube applicator squeeze tube/container?
Needle nose pliers.

Later bullet dies for ball forging.
A means of melting, pouring lead etc.

Super fine cigarette papers.
A device to pre load powder, wads, ball.
Lacquer for the "cartridges".

Anything else? Any comments?

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Re: Something new, Uberti Colt Army 1860 .44 BP [Re: Huvius]
      #387591 - 07/11/24 02:35 AM

Quote:

Quote:

When I mess with them, I'm still making cartridges using nitrated paper wrapped around a wood former, but there is a commercial system with good instructions and video here: https://cartridgekits.com/

Typically, you don't need to break the paper before inserting in the cylinder: compression of the cartridge when seating the ball will split the cartridge, or the flash from the cap will burn through. I've not noticed any loss of consistency when using them, though they do tend to be a bit less accurate than match loads loaded as mixed components. I only make them with conicals (vs. round balls), and I'm sure this is a factor in accuracy.




I’ve made guncotton before which is, I’m guessing, a similar process to making nitrided paper with high cotton content paper.
Guncotton is fun for sure - still haven’t tried it in a cartridge yet though.

One little thing I ran into the other day is the effect the guncotton interacts with steel.
I had a plastic bag with some guncotton in it - open to keep it dry - sitting on top of some bullet molds (happened to be where I set it) and all of my molds within a few inches of the bag developed a fine dusty coat of rust!
I believe it is the residual sulphuric acid in the cotton aerating and settling around the proximity of the bag.
A similar thing happened when I put a plastic jug of hydrochloric acid in my cabinet and a bunch of my steel tools rusted in the cabinet. That was a half full gallon of acid for the pool with a tight cap.

The molds cleaned up easily enough fortunately.
It did make me think that there could be an alternate method of browning barrels using a sealed acidic environment though.

Now, back to your regular scheduled program. Which I totally dig. Love Josey Wales!




The 'same' type of rusting will happen if you have an opened, but re-sealed plastic bottle of muriatic acid in the shop.

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Daryl


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Jim_C
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Re: Something new, Uberti Colt Army 1860 .44 BP [Re: sharps4590]
      #387651 - 11/11/24 05:59 PM

Another option for making cartridges for a cap and ball revolver has been getting talked up lately: "compressed powder" cartridges. Video here discussing them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyoPmklwv-Q&ab_channel=ErasGoneHistoricalMolds

Last summer I started testing a new lube for over the ball, seemed to work OK in my 1860 but was pretty stiff at temps below about 90* Farenheit. Melt 4 parts by weight of beeswax in a double boiler. Add 3 parts by weight of olive oil; stir til thoroughly mixed and no lumps remain. Add 2 parts by weight of Murphy's oil soap; stir thoroughly (being careful of the reaction when the soap is added--it foams up) until no lumps remain. Pour it into a container and let it cool.


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Re: Something new, Uberti Colt Army 1860 .44 BP [Re: Jim_C]
      #387659 - 12/11/24 08:13 AM

One of those little flexible steel round end fingernail files might be a good applicator for above the ball.

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