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Re: 12-bore French shotgun, Boucher, St Etienne [Re: NitroX]
#384066 - 10/04/24 11:00 PM

It's home finally. Took almost an extra month as it's so far unique in Australia. No other Boucher side by side 12-bores in Australia on the National Identification data base.

I've only got some 65 mm 5 shot ammo so far. I might have some other shells at home.

Will try a pattern test from each barrel.

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Re: 12-bore French shotgun, Boucher, St Etienne [Re: NitroX]
#384067 - 10/04/24 11:05 PM

I shouldn't visit such places. A deposit was put on a 16-bore Jeffery side by side, choked cylinder and perhaps three-quarters (?). The 3/4ers seems strange matched with a cylinder "choke".

Weighing less than 6 lbs.

May make a nice skeet and quail gun.

Needs some work, a new recoil page. Some screws cleaned up.

At last a British game gun.

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Re: 12-bore French shotgun, Boucher, St Etienne [Re: NitroX]
#384073 - 11/04/24 02:00 AM

I load 2 1/2" for my Field SxS, using 75gr. 1F and 1 1/4oz. 7 1/2's for clay birds at rendezvous. No chokes, cylinder bores.
Missed one bird in 25.
The event was 20 shots, and went 5 more in a shoot-off for 1st. The other guy was shooting a Cooey single shot. The only stipulation was it had to have a hammer, or hammers.
I lost. Didn't get on the bird soon enough, my bad.

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Re: 12-bore French shotgun, Boucher, St Etienne [Re: NitroX]
#384078 - 11/04/24 08:10 AM

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It's home finally. Took almost an extra month as it's so far unique in Australia. No other Boucher side by side 12-bores in Australia on the National Identification data base.

I've only got some 65 mm 5 shot ammo so far. I might have some other shells at home.

Will try a pattern test from each barrel.

Excellent!!

I'll be very interested in the regulation of those barrels. I always wonder how the "old guns" actually performed. I wonder what the standards might have been for the maker? For that matter, what the standards are for modern makers!

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Re: 12-bore French shotgun, Boucher, St Etienne [Re: 9.3x57]
#389869 - 22/02/25 12:02 AM

The Boucher purchased almost a year ago.

I'm doing a fair amount of shotgunning. Clays. Rabbits.nFox drives next month. Duck season soon. Quail a month later. I've got pigeons to shoot in and off my sheds. Making a huge mess.

But all using purchased loaded shot shells. I have reloaded for my shotgun for twenty years!

My cheapish shotgun loading press, needs to be unearthed. See what loads the powder bushes throw again. Where's the instructions?

2 1/2" factory shot shells are fairly limited, 4 shot, maybe 6 shot only. Pretty hard or I,possible to get any other shot.

Handl ioading eg 8 shot, BBs, or SGs, would be the only option for having them to shoot. And ball of slug loads, of course .

I'm keen to see how CM76 goes with his newly purchased Rigby 12-bore shot and ball gun.

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Edited by NitroX (22/02/25 06:23 PM)

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Re: 12-bore French shotgun, Boucher, St Etienne [Re: NitroX]
#389875 - 22/02/25 06:30 AM

Fuck season !!!!! That must be something unique to South Australia, sounds interesting though.

Matt.

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Re: 12-bore French shotgun, Boucher, St Etienne [Re: Waidmannsheil]
#389879 - 22/02/25 07:03 AM

I would be interested in participating. How much for a license? What's my limit?

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Re: 12-bore French shotgun, Boucher, St Etienne [Re: NitroX]
#389880 - 22/02/25 07:44 AM

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My cheapish shotgun loading press, needs to be unearthed. See what loads the powder bushes throw again. Where's the instructions?

2 1/2" factory shot shells are fairly limited, 4 shot, maybe 6 shot only. Pretty hard or I,possible to get any other shot.

Try here John
https://www.abelasgunshop.com.au/category/4935-lead-shot
Looked at Bronzewing directly & nothing came up as far as shot on their site, must be playing coy about it perhaps?

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Re: 12-bore French shotgun, Boucher, St Etienne [Re: fjrdoc]
#389884 - 22/02/25 10:13 AM

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I would be interested in participating. How much for a license? What's my limit?

That could depend on age, physical condition & medication (if you know what I mean?)

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Re: 12-bore French shotgun, Boucher, St Etienne [Re: 93x64mm]
#389885 - 22/02/25 10:24 AM

My memories go back to when I used to participate in fuck seasons. It was different in those days, the season seemed to go on all year. Now with all the regulation I am placed under, it is such as short limited season and I never seem to be in the right place at the right time any more.

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Re: 12-bore French shotgun, Boucher, St Etienne [Re: Claydog]
#389893 - 22/02/25 06:25 PM

Fat fingers small screen keyboard typo corrected.

Those seasons have been banned for thirty one years.

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Re: 12-bore French shotgun, Boucher, St Etienne [Re: Waidmannsheil]
#389916 - 23/02/25 09:00 PM

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Fuck season !!!!! That must be something unique to South Australia, sounds interesting though.

Matt.

These are perfect for such a season.

Bush Barbie

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Re: 12-bore French shotgun, Boucher, St Etienne [Re: NitroX]
#390030 - 28/02/25 06:01 AM

reloading 12 ga is so easy, take once fired plastic shells and cut them to 2,5".
you need a roll crimper and a little box column drill.

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Re: 12-bore French shotgun, Boucher, St Etienne [Re: lancaster]
#390031 - 28/02/25 05:22 PM

Thanks. I assume a 2 3/4" press works fine for 2 1/2"?

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Re: 12-bore French shotgun, Boucher, St Etienne [Re: NitroX]
#390054 - 01/03/25 04:57 AM

Yes, the sizing done by a press and 12 bore dies is on the brass base only - at least with both of mine.
Where the problem will arise perhaps, is for putting in wads. The wad guide 'fingers' may not be long enough, but without a folded crimp, they should be easily inserted by hand.
Thus the press will likely only be used for de-priming and re-priming & sizing the brass base.

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Re: 12-bore French shotgun, Boucher, St Etienne [Re: NitroX]
#390060 - 01/03/25 05:21 AM

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Thanks. I assume a 2 3/4" press works fine for 2 1/2"?

John: Do you have a drill press on the farm there? ! use one tho a hand drill works, too.
Roll crimping is easy.

https://www.ballisticproducts.com/Original-Roll-Crimping-Tool-10ga/productinfo/ROLL10/

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Re: 12-bore French shotgun, Boucher, St Etienne [Re: 9.3x57]
#390073 - 01/03/25 06:45 PM

thinking this shotshell loading machines make a star crimp. this would be fine with nitro but with blackpowder loads you lose to much space incide. its the reason you close the shell with a roll crimper.

is the gun is nitro proved? nobody in australia sells the 67,5mm long plastic cartridges? they are made to work in 65mm long chambers.

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Re: 12-bore French shotgun, Boucher, St Etienne [Re: DarylS]
#390074 - 01/03/25 09:05 PM

My old shot shell press is a cheaper one, but multistage. It would be easy to just miss the star crimping stage.

The press has bushes to throw the powder and shot.

Assuming I'm haven't misplaced anything and can work out bush sizes, how it all works out etc.

I'll need 16-bore reloading stuff sooner or later. Can shotshellmrelosding presses cope with multiple gauge sizes? Or a different press for each?

Need a handgun press as well.

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Re: 12-bore French shotgun, Boucher, St Etienne [Re: 9.3x57]
#390075 - 01/03/25 09:17 PM

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Thanks. I assume a 2 3/4" press works fine for 2 1/2"?

John: Do you have a drill press on the farm there? ! use one tho a hand drill works, too.
Roll crimping is easy.

https://www.ballisticproducts.com/Original-Roll-Crimping-Tool-10ga/productinfo/ROLL10/

I din't have a drill press. But should have one. Btw I once saw a Porsche bench top drill press. I wish I 0'd bought it. Then if tell people I'd left my Porsche in my garage.

Having a look at that link. Products look useful. If they'll post to Austrslia.

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Re: 12-bore French shotgun, Boucher, St Etienne [Re: lancaster]
#390076 - 01/03/25 09:23 PM

Quote:

thinking this shotshell loading machines make a star crimp. this would be fine with nitro but with blackpowder loads you lose to much space incide. its the reason you close the shell with a roll crimper.

is the gun is nitro proved? nobody in australia sells the 67,5mm long plastic cartridges? they are made to work in 65mm long chambers.

I'm sure this gun is nitro.

I haven't bought shot shell reloading supplies in two or three decades. Will explore.

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Re: 12-bore French shotgun, Boucher, St Etienne [Re: NitroX]
#390080 - 02/03/25 01:18 AM

I think I have an old Led shot she'll reliafer from the 1990s or 1980s.

https://www.ballisticproducts.com/Lee-12ga-Load-All-II/productinfo/LEE90011/

The description of the current 12-gsuge model says it doesn't reload 2 1/2" shells. But this might be missing the star crimping step only?

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Re: 12-bore French shotgun, Boucher, St Etienne [Re: NitroX]
#390090 - 02/03/25 06:11 AM

Once you have the 2 1/2" shells, you can load the wads by hand. The press is just easier for de-priming and re-priming.
A press really isn't necessary for this. The Lee hand dies showed this, for both rifle and shotshells.

With the roll crimper, the only thing a press would do, is to size the base, which might not be necessary at all.

Too, there are or were solid plastic cases of some brand which I do not remember, that didn't even have a
brass base. I suppose with modern
compression formed cases without a separate base wad, ie: all plastic, that the brass base isn't need to hold everything
together and the brass base just gives a stronger ejection rim, which would be necessary for higher pressure loads.
Star crimps, as lancaster notes, are only for cases 2 3/4' or longer due to taking up a full 1/4" of the case length.

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Re: 12-bore French shotgun, Boucher, St Etienne [Re: NitroX]
#390093 - 02/03/25 06:37 AM

John, almost any normal 2 3/4" shell trimmed at the fold turns into a 2 1/2.

HERE'S MY TOOLS, SOME HOME MADE FOR TRIMMING, ROLL CRIMPING AND TOP WAD MAKING. [sorry caps, broken arm. 1 hand hunt n peck.]

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Re: 12-bore French shotgun, Boucher, St Etienne [Re: DarylS]
#390096 - 02/03/25 03:34 PM

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Too, there are or were solid plastic cases of some brand which I do not remember, that didn't even have a
brass base. I suppose with modern compression formed cases without a separate base wad, ie: all plastic, that the brass base isn't need to hold everything together and the brass base just gives a stronger ejection rim, which would be necessary for higher pressure loads.

I'd give those hulls a complete miss.

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