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The issue of reliability of single triggers on doubles needs to be put to bed once and for all. Single triggers whether mechanically reset or reset by inertia are inherently simple. The single trigger double shotgun or rifle still has two separate locks exactly the same as the double trigger iteration of those guns, it is only the trigger that is different.
Westley Richards have for years provided single trigger options for their double guns, Pondoro Taylor himself liked the WR single trigger and stated he would have no hesitation using for his DG game except because all his other doubles had double triggers, he did not want to introduce a possible confusion factor into his gun battery.
The double trigger is just a carry over affliction from the days of unreliability of firing pins and springs in many of the gun locks of the day, the trigger mechanism was not the issue on double guns.

Competition shotgun shooters who fire hundreds of thousands of cartridges during their lifetime rely on perfect repeatability of grip and length of pull of their guns, the trigger of which is a critical part of this. They would not tolerate the slightest hint of unreliability of their single triggers during competitions. The most ardent double rifle owner would only fire a fraction of the cartridges than what an average, let alone a top competition shotgunner would fire in their lifetime.

In relation to single trigger O/U guns, to state that "its just a matter of time before trigger mechanism gets gunked and fails" then I say the owners of such gunked up guns deserve to be trampled, gored or bitten by DG. That is just a poor excuse for stupidity and should not be a reflection on the reliability of any gun. Just as a hunter should be double checking his ammunition and other items and accessories before heading off on an African safari, so he should be doing so on his guns.

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It was long put to bed a long time ago.

Two barrels. Two locks. Two triggers.

Most single trigger shotgun users are so retarded they can't use a double trigger.

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Further thoughts on sacrilege. Fortunately a lot of continental double over and under rifles do have twin triggers - one for each barrel. A double rifle, especially a dangerous game double absolutely needs to be twin triggered. In effect you have two completely different rifles so there is a redundancy.

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There is a difference in view down a side by side compared to over and under. Not better,

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But by far most important factor is whether the gun fits and does it shoot where you look with you needing to aim. In other words does it shoot like a fine shotgun.

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A side by side invariably will naturally fit better. The forehand not sitting unnaturally high.

Gentlemen, don't get me wrong. I was not arguing a under and over is better. I was commenting on recoil movements. A side by side is better. The side by side shooter at a clay target shoot is almost always a good shot. Most people are naturally sheeple and afraid to be not part of the flock. Afraid to be different. "Everyone uses a side by side, so it must be better!" I'm sure some would reply with such an inane statement

An under and over MIGHT be better for trap down the line shooting, as the ine of flight might match the barrels better. Skeet, no.

My favourite Azhur detachable sidelock, side by side, has more open chokes than y other side by sides. Also nice and fancy. Twin triggers of course. The stock might feel a little short for me now. It never used to. It has no recoil pad or plate wall, just wood. I might source a slip on rubber recoil pad. The firing pins in it feel a little snippy. Not sure how to describe it.m

My Greener Empire, bought second as a DR donor, is a littler agricultural. I like it for fox shoots.

My Simson Suhl is plain by in near perfect condition. It's issue is very tight choking. Makes sense seeing our German members comments on a thread on why many German shotguns are tightly choked. I'd be "brave" to use it on a clay shoot. When hit, clays would be spectacularly powdered. I do want to see if it can become a specialist fox hunting gun.

My old Hollis, hammers, was myngrandfathers, Damascus barrels. I'd like to see it restored a little.

My other grandfathers shotgun, a Stevens also a handgun, is in better condition but is missing a hammer. Need for my Uncle and Aunty to find it, or source another one or two.

If I can continue to improve my shooting, I'll return to a side by side, at least occasionally. A lack of confidence was the main reason I stopped using it not actual functuality

None of my side by sides have ejectors. I remember switching to the under and over for a mass flurry clay shoot because of expected barrel heat and it had ejectors. A loader was used the shooter opening and ejecting shells, the loader popping in two shells, shoulder, fire, reload, shoulder fire ... Etc . Six or seven throwers on a ridge, throwing clays in fly over head, sraight or angled. Maybe some two clays at once. I think four or five shooters. Fast and furious. I did well on it. A group score.mIt's like overhead driven pheasants flurry. Great fun. A side by side, with ejectors, and a glove, would have made it even better.

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To paraphrase the late Michael McIntosh on which is better, give me a fine side by side and a fine over and under double with lots of ammo and opportunities to hunt and I will spend the rest of my lifetime working out which is better.

My one conclusion so far is that provided it fits you properly it doesn’t really matter about the action type, and its the first shot that matters.

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Brilliant where to sigh up for this scientific research.

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Having watched quite a bit of video of game bird shooting in the UK I was very surprised that the O/U seems to have taken over as the gun of choice now. Despite the tweeds and ties, 'proper' gumboots and all the other associated stiff upper lip bits that go with UK hunting, even the top guns have gone to the dark side with the O/U gun.
While I did say dark side, this in jest and they, like me many decades ago, have seen the light and recognise the O/U as being the leader in the field for both competition and sporting use.

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