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It's conventional double rifle wisdom one must shoot the left barrel first on a side by side double rifle for regulation to work.

I agree this is how they are made to regulate. But some double rifles seem fine with either barrel first.

Test yours out.

Shoot the normal sequence, 1,2. Then repeat.

Then reverse the sequence, 2,1 and 2,1.

Note, record, photograph, report back.

As many DRs as possible.

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Never heard of the left barrel/rear trigger being the normal use of a SxS shotgun or rifle, either chokes for the former or regulation for the latter are setup for right barrel front trigger first.

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Then you need to hear more. I certainly have. Listen.

Added: I've seen a DR for sale where the left barrel bore was reported as more worn. And it seemed to have been better setup with the sights for longer range or better shooting. Edited again. It may have even had specialnsights for the left barrel. I don't remember exactly.

The old soft and solid, one in each barrel. Usually the soft first. But no reason the solid could not be a first choice. If ones rifle is capable.

Twin calibre DRs. Of course they are designed to shoot either barrel first. I've used a Frankonia branded DR in .22 mag and 5.6x50R. Choose whichever cartridge and barrel first, for the situation. It could be a 5.6 calibre and a 7 mm calibre easily.

And shotguns are commonly used which ever barrel first.

My Tikka/Valmet when it had a single trigger, it had a trigger selector. I wonder why if not only to decide to shoot either barrel first.

I often shoot sporting clays a different barrel first.

Combination shotgun and rifle guns are certainly fired which ever barrel first. Regulation is far less important for a shotgun barrel firing shot. But must one shoot the rifle or the shotgun barrel first? Of course not. What is I shoot my shotgun barrel a dozen times. Does that affect my rifle barrel's point of impact or group accuracy size?

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I do know that some fellas go with Left barrel/rear trigger first to avoid accidental firing of both barrels if they use the front trigger for the first shot. Poor trigger technique/control from years of them target shooting with small calibre seems to me……

I’ve never had that issue as I grew up using a double barrel side x side shotgun with two triggers, almost always right trigger/barrel first.
Never have had a double discharge with rifle or shotgun…….ever.

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Lots of BS artists on the internet. Every animal is shot perfectly, never wounded, never escapes. Double rifles are always used well ...

I've had a couple of PHs say clients double their DRs a lot. Few will willingly admit it.

I've always had double triggers on my double barrels, modified the Tikka to twin triggers. I've had a couple of second slapped triggers with the shotguns over the years. Big bore doubles have far more recoil than a shotgun, no comparison for any experienced big bore dr shooter.


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I regulate the barrels of the double rifles I build at 100 yards and at 50 yards. I first regulate the shots to just touch or maybe be 1/2" apart at 100 yards and then I check the shots at 50 yards to see the difference of what the 100 yard shot pattern. In general the 50 yard shots will pattern about 1 inch apart center to center. I also regulate the barrels for the shots to be nearly exactly the in the same horizontal plane.

I do not regulate them to shoot the right barrel or left barrel first. I regulate them to shoot perfect shots whichever barrel you shoot first; and during regulation I will shoot just about as many by shooting the left barrel first as I do shooting the right barrel first.

It takes a great deal of time and ammunition to regulate barrels to shoot with accuracy that I set as my goal and one rifle it took 300 rounds (I was developing a new cartridge), so I believe few people will/do likely regulate to this accuracy.

I also use the Holland & Holland style muzzle bridge to retain the barrels in place. ..... Snipped

Double rifles can be found that have decades of use and the right barrel is worn out while the left barrel is still good. In my opinion shooters should make certain they shoot the shots from the barrels right and left--left and right in order to maximize barrel life.

I do not recall Graeme Wright discussing right/left of left/right barrel shooting.

Kindest Regards;
Stephen Howell

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Thank you for your experienced comments. And also on the Holand & Holland technique. You've confirmed a number of things for me, or at least that some Gunmakers/regulators do certain things, aiming at certain results. Thanks.

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Now we just need a handfull of DRs tested to see if they do shoot to regulation either R/L or L/R, or both.

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What about Under and Overs? Which barrel first, is it the lower barrel, then the upper as with a shotgun?

My Tikka/Valmet shoots the top barrel first, for the reasons when a combination barrel is fitted, the front trigger is designed to shoot the top shotgun barrel first.

Also in my opinion as the top barrel is angled less to the sighting plane, it should be more "accurate", or closer to the plane so better for the first shot.

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I regulate the barrels of the double rifles I build at 100 yards and at 50 yards. I first regulate the shots to just touch or maybe be 1/2" apart at 100 yards and then I check the shots at 50 yards to see the difference of what the 100 yard shot pattern. In general the 50 yard shots will pattern about 1 inch apart center to center. I also regulate the barrels for the shots to be nearly exactly the in the same horizontal plane.

I do not regulate them to shoot the right barrel or left barrel first. I regulate them to shoot perfect shots whichever barrel you shoot first; and during regulation I will shoot just about as many by shooting the left barrel first as I do shooting the right barrel first.

It takes a great deal of time and ammunition to regulate barrels to shoot with accuracy that I set as my goal and one rifle it took 300 rounds (I was developing a new cartridge), so I believe few people will/do likely regulate to this accuracy.

I also use the Holland & Holland style muzzle bridge to retain the barrels in place ---not the method of driving a wedge and soldering it in place--but making bridge the exact distance apart measured in thousands of an inch after using the temporary "solder in place" wedge to get the correct distance apart. I measure the distance of the barrels at the muzzle when I have reached my goal of accuracy at 100 yards and I make a Holland & Holland bridge on my milling machine for that distance; and sometimes I will have to make 2-3 of these bridges because only .001" to .002" distance apart makes significant differences at 100 yards. For those of you who do not understand the Holland & Holland double rifle bridge system view the video "A Look Inside Holland & Holland" and watch Steve Cranston regulate a double rifle. With the Holland & Holland muzzle bridge you never never have to be concerned with barrel movement in even the most severe and rough shooting conditions.

Double rifles can be found that have decades of use and the right barrel is worn out while the left barrel is still good. In my opinion shooters should make certain they shoot the shots from the barrels right and left--left and right in order to maximize barrel life.

I do not recall Graeme Wright discussing right/left of left/right barrel shooting.

Kindest Regards;
Stephen Howell

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Interesting, thanks.

So QLD rules require the barrel order to be reversed.

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Interesting, thanks.

So QLD rules require the barrel order to be reversed.

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Not the barrel, but the target. You use whatever barrel order you need to.

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Mauser&9mm
Never actually shot one of these events or seen one shot, so I 'assumed' that was the case reversing the firing order - not the target!
Certainly made an 'ASS' out of me!
Just goes to show you how rules can be misconstrued innocently!
Thanks for enlightening us all matey!

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Interesting, thanks.

So QLD rules require the barrel order to be reversed.

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Not the barrel, but the target. You use whatever barrel order you need to.

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Mauser&9mm
Never actually shot one of these events or seen one shot, so I 'assumed' that was the case reversing the firing order - not the target!
Certainly made an 'ASS' out of me!
Just goes to show you how rules can be misconstrued innocently!
Thanks for enlightening us all matey!

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I'm not sure why they have rule differences between otherwise similar events. I got caught out in one double rifle stage at a match years ago when I was a couple of rounds short. I forget what the actual event was, and if it was state or national (it was held in QLD though), but the number of rounds required was different between QLD and National rules. My fault I guess, but annoying and disappointing none the less.

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Wouldn't have been a Nationals (one would hope!}, as strict adherence to the published National Rules is mandated.

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